There Is No 'Heavenly Hope'!

by The Searcher 43 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher


    This is how Christ's death is described three times in the Scriptures.

    The apostle John wrote, "The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent forth his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins." (1 John 4:10)

    Propitiate means to "appease or conciliate". Christ's blood reconciles sinners back to our Creator.

    Hence the reason for Jesus stating that he came to give his life as a 'ransom'. (Matthew 20:28)

    In the book "Draw Close to Jehovah" chapter 14, page 141, paragraph 8, it provides a concise but detailed explanation as to how Jesus sacrifice acted as a 'ransom';"Significantly, the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament observes that this word (ko´pher) "always denotes an equivalent," or a correspondency. Thus, the cover of the ark of the covenant had a shape corresponding to the ark itself. Likewise, in order to ransom, or cover, sin, a price must be paid that fully corresponds to, or fully covers, the damage caused by the sin. God’s Law to Israel thus stated: "Soul will be for soul, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."" - Deuteronomy 19:21.

    Note the descriptive terminology used - 'equivalent','correspondency',fullycovers', as well as the Scripture - to establish beyond any doubt that Christ's death balanced the divine scales of justice and bought back exactly what was lost. However, therein lies the death blow to the dominant teaching of most (if not all) religions claiming to be Christian - that some humans will ascend to heaven.

    If "going to heaven when you die" was true, then the 'divine scales of justice' are blatantly out of balance.

    If Adam had not sinned, what would be the outcome for every single human being on the earth? Everlasting life on a paradise earth - end of story - because that's exactly what Jehovah intended!

    Therefore when Jesus died, his lifeblood paid for that to be restored - nothing more, nothing less.

    Neither Adam nor any of his descendants were ever promised life in heaven, and because of the 'eye for eye, tooth for tooth' principle, Jesus' death would not, and could not change that God-given edict.

    By this point, certain scriptures with their 'given' understandings may spring to mind, seemingly proving that heaven does beckon certain individuals.

    An honest examination of the context of these verses, the original Greek meanings, and a comparison with other Scriptures, should at the very least call into question what is asserted as Bible truth.

    Firstly, take note of the wordings of these different verses.

    At Luke 22:43, Jesus told the dying thief, "Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise." He would be with Jesus, but in what sense/location?

    At Revelation 7:14,15, the angel describes those on earth who survive the great tribulation as being "before the throne of God and rendering sacred service day and night in His temple." (divine habitation) In what context will this take place?

    Clearly, the understanding of these two verses require a proper reasoning based on the Bible.

    Likewise, the Bible verses routinely used to justify the "heavenlyhope" require close inspection as to whether there could be a different explanation.

    Revelation 20:6 (NWT) speaks of certain resurrected ones who will "rule as kings" with Christ, but no other translation viewed inserts "as kings" into the verse. It is notable that only Jesus Christ himself is compared to Melchizedek as being a king/priest - not with a 144,000 others! (Hebrews 7:17)

    The original Greek ( basileu ) means,

    1) to be king, to exercise kingly power, to reign

    a) of the governor of a province

    b) of the rule of the Messiah

    c) of the reign of Christians in the millennium

    2) metaph. to exercise the highest influence, to control

    In what sense, and crucially, in what location will such ones 'reign'?

    Could these be the same princes prophesied about at Psalm 45:16 and the "chieftain class" discussed at length in the Watchtower March 1st 1999 p. 16 par. 14?

    Nowhere, but nowhere is there a single mention of any humans going to heaven. Being priests - yes! 'Reigning' - yes! Even "sitting at Jesus' left and right hand"! Assuming something does not make it a reality, regardless of how much you want it to be so. These positions neither necessitate nor indicate anyone being transferred to heaven to be given a super - human existence, thereby exceeding what was lost in Eden! Those ones spoken of at Revelation 20:6 who are to 'reign' for 1000 years will also be priests.

    This is how Vine's Expository Dictionary explains this assignation: "Meanwhile all believers, from Jews and Gentiles, are constituted "a kingdom of priests," Rev 1:6 "a holy priesthood," 1Pe 2:5, and "royal," 1Pe 2:9. The NT knows nothing of a sacerdotal class in contrast to the laity; all believers are commanded to offer the sacrifices mentioned in Rom 12:1; Phl 2:17; 4:18; Hbr 13:15, 16; 1Pe 2:5." All

    faithful Christians are priests and offer their personal sacrifices, and since they and others who spoke about God are promised the first resurrection, (Rev. 20:4,6) it could be reasoned that all such proven servants will be on hand and ready to receive others who subsequently receive a resurrection.

    Admittedly, speculative - but not dogmatic or dictatorial!

  • prologos

    does not Rev.14:4 say that the sealed 144k " --keep following the lamb no matter where HE goes--" and

    is it not reported that he went heavenward, into the clouds?

    Just like the prophet later, from the same place? spaceport Jerusalem?

    strictly speaking, we are not dying because A&E sinned, we die because they were prevented from rising above the animals by the turning sword cherubs.

    Even after they "sinned" they had to be barred from getting at that tree of life.

    even BEFORE they "sinned" they had to eat of the tree of life in order to live longer than the animals.

    so A&E never had everlasting life that was lost and had to be repurchased.

    the bible writers even got the beginning wrong.

    so it is good to talk about how wrong the rest is.

    thank you.

  • Ucantnome

    What about 1cor15:48

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher


    Good Scripture - 1 Corinthians 15:48-49) "As the one made of dust [is], so those made of dust [are] also; and as the heavenly one [is], so those who are heavenly [are] also. And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly one."

    This illustrates what I was trying to point out; we were made in God's likeness as humans in the beginning, but Satan & Adam corrupted that. Now we can attain that spiritual likeness once more through His son's ransom, thereby reflecting qualities of a heavenly origin rather than the earthly attitudes of Satan's world.

    Again, the Scripture is not saying we ha\ve to travel to heaven to reflect God's qualities.

  • Ucantnome

    Christ said those resurrected will be like angels.

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Heck, I don't know where we end up, but as long as it's not with little demons poking pitchforks in my @ss.

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher


    Again, the wording Jesus used can be compared with what he told the thief. The thief will not be personally, alongside Jesus - and does not have to be.

    The Scriptures make it perfectly clear, both in Genesis ch. 3 and Romans ch. 5 that as a result of Adam & Eve's sinning, all men die.

    Physically eating of a particular fruit would not bestow everlasting life on anyone, therefore the symbolism and illustrations being used, have to be understood as just that - symbols.

  • Ucantnome

    How about Phil 1:24 (i think that's the one where Paul talks about remaining ot being with Christ)

  • jwfacts

    Searcher - If Adam had not sinned, what would be the outcome for every single human being on the earth? Everlasting life on a paradise earth - end of story - because that's exactly what Jehovah intended!

    Where does it state that in the Bible?

  • jwfacts

    Matthew 8:11 "But I tell YOU that many from eastern parts and western parts will come and recline at the table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of the heavens ."

    Matthew 5:11-12 "Happy are YOU when people reproach YOU and persecute YOU and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against YOU for my sake. Rejoice and leap for joy, since YOUR reward is great in the heavens ; for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to YOU .

    Luke 16:22 "Now in course of time the beggar died and he was carried off by the angels to the bosom [position] of Abraham."

    Hebrews 11:13-16 "In faith all these died, although they did not get the [fulfillment of the] promises, but they saw them afar off and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land. For those who say such things give evidence that they are earnestly seeking a place of their own. And yet, if they had indeed kept remembering that [place] from which they had gone forth, they would have had opportunity to return. But now they are reaching out for a better [place], that is, one belonging to heaven . Hence God is not ashamed of them, to be called upon as their God, for he has made a city ready for them."

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