YHWH v YHVH - yes, V not W (page 3)

Jeffro

*lost*:

jeffro - why don't you go and start one ? not against the rules is it ?

Ah... I see it is the concept of analogy that is *lost*.

But to dumb it down for you, insisting that YHVH is 'more correct' than YHWH is fairly banal semantics regarding the available options for transliteration of Hebrew vav into English. Central to the insistence on one phoneme over the other is the claim that we're not actually talking about a fictional character. Names are translated into different languages all the time. It's really not that mysterious.

The Jesus part is ok. The name ''Jesus'' ok too.

Double-standard much? Why is "Jesus" suddenly okay despite the fact that, like "W", there isn't actually a "J" in Hebrew? (That is a rhetorical question, as I'm not interested in religious superstitions about 'ineffible names'.) Fact is, if you want to be dogmatic about 'the' pronunciation of the name of 'god', you should apply the same 'rules' to all names translated from Hebrew.

mP

Jeffro

English is different with regards to its default sound for 'j'. most other langs use a different sound, think 'y'. Most other langs say ye ho va, not je ho va reading the same letters.

Jeffro

mP

English is different with regards to its default sound for 'j'. most other langs use a different sound, think 'y'. Most other langs say ye ho va, not je ho va reading the same letters.

So? (and, duh)

What language are you typing in??

And how does that make the word Jesus 'okay' but Jehovah 'wrong'?

Yan Bibiyan

"potatoe", as put so elloquently in the words of a former US vice-president....

lost

NAMES REVEALED IN THE BRIT CHADASH

The extant manuscripts of the Brit Chadash are written in Koine Greek, though undoubtedly the Hebraic mindset permeates the writings, since all of it's authors were

1st century Torah observant.

Jews who were intimately acquainted with the Tanakh ( as was Mashiach Yeshua of course)

External evidence that MATTHEW originally wrote his gospel in Hebrew reaches as far back as Papias of Hierapolis, of the 2nd century ce.

Easebius quoted papias:

''Matthew collected the oracles in the Hebrew language'' (The Eccliastical History III)

This is corroborated late in the Babylonian Talmud, the Jerusalem Talmud, as well as the Toefta, where debate rages concerning the destruction of the scrolls of the Brit Chadash:

should they be burned since they contain the divine Name (ie YHVH)

this debat clearly documents that the Gospeel was extant in Hebrew in early church history.

By correlating direct and indirect quotations of the Tanakh ( and LXX ) as well as contextualising the Greek constructions into their Hebrew counterparts,

translators of the New Testament into Hebrew are able to infer Hebrew equivalents.

In some cases this is straightforward: the title ''First and the Last'' occurs both in the Tanakh and in the Brit Chadash.

In other cases, however, contextualisation is the key:

The word Theos (1,000 times), Kunos (600 times), Christ (555 times) and so on, all derive their meaning form the overarching context of Jewish history, culture and collective Hermeneuitic

1. The Father, 2. The Son, 3. The Holy Spirit, 4. The Trinity ?, 5. Yeshua is Adonai, 7. Sign of the Cross ?, 8. Greek LXX Names, 9. Greek NT Names, 10. The Gosple of Q, 11. Dead Sea Scrolls, 12. Aramaic Names

lost

Jeffro have you just wandered in here looking to just cause aggrevation and disrupt the school of thought ?

You have no idea what is even going on here. This started between a few friends researching off thie site, now we are putting together our findings.

As you don't, you don't understand the statement regarding 'Jesus' is allright too.

yes we know there is no J in the Hebrew. that is not the context of the discussion that is going on here.

TO DUMB IT DOWN FOR YOU THERE IS NO JEHOVAH OR YAWEH OR YHWH that is the point, they are PAGAN not even remotely 'Christian'. maybe you missed all of that convo at the beginning.

WT IS A SATANIC CULT. A CHRISTIAN FAKE, A FRAUD, A DECIEVER.

Jeffro

TO DUMB IT DOWN FOR YOU THERE IS NO JEHOVAH OR YAWEH OR YHWH that is the point, they are PAGAN not even remotely 'Christian'. maybe you missed all of that convo at the beginning.
WT IS A SATANIC CULT. A CHRISTIAN FAKE, A FRAUD, A DECIEVER.

There is also no 'YHVH' (and no 'Satan' either).

There's not much benefit in 'teaching' people that entities with the spellings you don't like don't 'really' exist if you assert that only the magical being with the spelling you like is a real thing.

lost

well why are you even here then ????

Gojira_101

Wow *lost* you sure did the research. I can see why you were up so late!

My parents and I left the same way when we found out Jehovah is not God's name. It's very upsetting, that was what finally cut the last cord to WT. If they don't even know what God's name is how can they be God's chosen people? In my opinion, they are not!.

I'll have to come back to this later and read it all. I have to get to work! Thank you for sharing all this research with us!!!

Gojira

Phizzy

YHVH or whatever your preferred Tetragrammaton is a late invention, thought to be promoted mainly after the Babylonian exile, when it made sense to the Priests, notably Ezra, to promote just one God for the land, and therefore to demolish all the old god's of the land, and unite the returnees in worship.

Before the exile the Israelites had worshipped a number of god's, in the High Places, etc

Remember, we only get what the literate Priest class wanted to give us, the real lives and beliefs of the ordinary, illiterate, Israelites are not written about.

YHVH was a minor Edomite/Canaaanite god who was worshipped alongside his wife. The chief god, who probably was the God of Abraham and of Melchizedech, if either character is truly historical, was the god El.

El became YHVH after much writing of texts, and redaction of texts after the Babylonian exile.

How YHVH was pronounced no one can know for sure, and it matters not one bit, as Jeffro rightly says, he is a fictional character.

YHWH v YHVH - yes, V not W

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