Margaret Thatcher has Died

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  • edmond dantes
    edmond dantes

    Thank you Loz .

    Is it not ironic that under a Conservative Government to save money all those years ago milk was taken off the children and now under a Conservative Government they have had to introduce breakfast meals in schools for thousands and thousands of children in the primary age group because of malnutrition .

    Soon they will have to hand out glasses of water as well because the privatised water companies want every house in the land to have a water meter and like they keep telling us the bills will have to rise because we need to invest.

  • soontobe
    soontobe
    Thread is 1) not dead, and, 2) Romney started it:

    BB, what idiotic comments. Romney didn't start anything. I guess you're proud to be counted among the various communists and other far left radicals partying out in the streets today. Rail against her, her legacy will outlive you. You can measure the quality of a person by the kinds of enemies she creates.

    Margaret Thatcher, R.I.P.

    M argaret Thatcher, who died earlier today, was the greatest peacetime British prime minister of the 20th century, and her achievements in foreign policy were second only to those of Churchill.

    In domestic policy, she reversed the decline of the previous 30 years and revived both the British economy and the British spirit. In foreign policy, she was instrumental to the free world’s victory in the Cold War — a victory achieved “without firing a shot,” as she herself phrased it.

    She was steadfast and vocal in her support of the NATO policy of installing cruise and Pershing missiles in Western Europe. The success of that policy, against the strong pressures for appeasement of the Soviets that came from both the “peace movement” and most parties of the European Left, marked the point at which the USSR lost the Cold War. But she improved on that success by identifying Mikhail Gorbachev as “a man we could do business with” and warmly recommending him to Reagan as such. Her early championship of the Soviet leader was one reason why the Cold War ended peacefully and on almost friendly terms.

    Her domestic achievements are many, but they include: bringing inflation under control and establishing sound money; bringing the unions under law and so dispelling the idea that Britain had become “ungovernable”; defeating the miners’ strike and so entrenching her reforms; reviving the enterprise culture that Britain had pioneered but lost; starting what became the worldwide revolution of privatization; and so on, and so on. We can sum up these domestic battles by pointing out that ten years after the strike-ridden “winter of discontent” — after therefore ten years of Thatcherism — Britain’s economy had become the fourth-largest in the world.

    One might add winning the Falklands War almost as a codicil, because that was a foreign-policy achievement that helped her win many of her domestic battles.

    These achievements made Mrs. Thatcher — we prefer to call her by the name she was known by in the days of her glory — a great statesman in the eyes of the world and in the eyes of most of her countrymen. But she made enemies who remain bitter to this day, as some comments on her death from the Left miserably illustrate. In that respect, she resembles less Ronald Reagan than Franklin Roosevelt.

    Statesmen whose achievements are won at heavy cost and against strong opposition are seldom revered universally in their lives. It takes time and — sadly — death for bitterness to be overcome and for the full value of their lives to be realized and appreciated. We believe that Mrs. Thatcher’s reputation will shortly enjoy that ascension in her native land. In the meantime, her shade must be content with the praise that is rising from the formerly Communist nations in which she remains a heroic and loved figure — and from the United States, which was second only to Britain in her estimate and affection.

    To sum such a remarkable life is not easy. We cannot improve upon the attempt by Lord Saatchi, head of the think tank she founded and the shaper of her victorious election message in 1979:

    Everyone wants to be immortal. Few are. Mrs. Thatcher is. Why?

    Because her values are timeless, eternal. Tap anyone on the shoulder anywhere in the world, and ask what Mrs Thatcher “believed in,” and they will tell you. They can give a clear answer to what she “stood for.”

    She developed all the winning arguments of our time — free markets, low tax, a small state, independence, individuality, self-determination.

  • designs
    designs

    If there is a State Funeral for Margaret who will show up on both sides (protestors and supporters).

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    Everyone wants to be immortal. Few are. Mrs. Thatcher is. Why?
    Because her values are timeless, eternal. Tap anyone on the shoulder anywhere in the world, and ask what Mrs Thatcher “believed in,” and they will tell you. They can give a clear answer to what she “stood for.”
    Hitler, too. Also.
  • Berengaria
    Berengaria
    Everyone wants to be immortal. Few are. Mrs. Thatcher is. Why?

    As well, Ivan the Terrible. Likewise.

    Because her values are timeless, eternal. Tap anyone on the shoulder anywhere in the world, and ask what Mrs Thatcher “believed in,” and they will tell you. They can give a clear answer to what she “stood for.”

    Imperialism, greed, classism?

  • konceptual99
    konceptual99

    Soontobe, your comments include some aspects of her time as PM that I would agree with. The overriding fact for me however, is that she ruined the lives of millions of British people. She viewed the suffering of the working class as collateral damage, a necessary side effect of the smashing of the unions and socialist policy in general. Her policies run deep and are in evidence today - once again to the point where those in need are forced to bear the brunt of the pain of financial policies that favour the haves.

    There are many places in the UK that will never view Thatcher as anything other than a disaster for them and their community.

  • sooner7nc
    sooner7nc

    So, beks, bizzy, designs, why don't you give us an idea of how the UK, and indeed the Western world,would be today if Mrs. Thatcher hadn't ruled as Prime Minister.

    I'm interested to know your take on this.

  • soontobe
    soontobe

    Trolling.

  • Theocratic Sedition
    Theocratic Sedition

    As a youngin this thread is interesting. I don't have much of an opinion on her one way or another but its fascinating to see just how polarizing she is even on this thread. The sentiments expressed in the article below are something else. Some of the comments about her remind me of thoughts on here expressed regarding the Watchtower.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-orgreave-coal-miners

    "I'm not a hypocrite," said Mansell, who is from the nearby pit village of Swallownest and worked underground for 22 years. "I spoke ill of her when she was alive and I'll speak ill of her now she's dead. She doesn't mean two iotas to me."Chris Whitley, 56, who sold tobacco on the picket line, said he was in the pub to "celebrate - course we are. She killed these villages." He said families had been torn apart by the strike - brothers still refusing to speak to each other, unable to forgive the sibling who crossed the picket line while the other struggled by on strike wages for a year or more.

    "Scabby bastards," said one drinker, declining to give his name for fear of reopening old family wounds.

    Whitley said he was thinking of getting t-shirts printed saying "Thatcher's in hell - she's only been there a few hours and she's already closed down the furnaces". Propping up the bar, the men compared text messages they'd received throughout the day. A typical example: "I enjoy a good swim. But if someone asked me what my favourite stroke was I'd say Maggie Thatcher's." Another proudly brandished a text message he'd received just after 1pm saying simply: "Parteeeeee time."

  • designs
    designs

    sooner- Gorbachev liked Thatcher and credited her with ending the Cold War, he paid a political price for opening up relations with the West. How she is viewed at home and throughout Ireland, Scotland and Wales is something those people need to answer. Like here under Reagan was the attempt to break the power of the working class and solidify power at the top successful.

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