AGuest: Clement then includes many writings as “scripture” that did not get final acceptance.
Whoa. Okay, this is... well, unbelievable isn't the right word. You are absolutely, totally, and unequivocally misquoting me, dear mp (peace to you)! Why?! Here is what I stated, verbatim:
You must understand: it is not up to men to decide what is scripture and what is not. "Scripture" is that which one is given... while such one is IN SPIRIT (in spiritu... in spire... inspired). Such is GIVEN... by Christ, the HOLY Spirit (sometimes directly, sometimes through an angel). AND the one so given... is TOLD TO WRITE IT DOWN. Hence, Moses, the Psalms, the Prophets... and the Revelation. Hence, not ALL scripture is contained in the canon of the modern "Bible"... regardless of the version... for the very reason you mention: certain men did not "accept" it.
In the same vein, however, not all that is in the Bible is "scripture" - just because some men DID accept it and decided to include it in the canon does NOT make it scripture. Indeed, MUCH of the Bible writings are histories, records, chronologies... and, in many, instances, uninspired letters (although containing [some] wisdom and truth - even so, doesn't make it scripture).
Which is why my Lord said to me THIS truth:
"ALL that I tell you IS written... but not all that is WRITTEN is what I will tell you."
What did he mean? He meant that everything he says IS written... somewhere (perhaps including the writings of Clement - even so, that doesn't make it scripture, either... unless Clement was IN SPIRIT when he received it, was GIVEN it to write... and then TOLD to write it)... but not necessarily in the Bible... and all that is written... including that which is in the Bible... is NOT necessarily what he would tell me, and so NOT necessarily the TRUTH.
Somehow, you want people to believe that in stated what I did I stated that "Clement then includes many writings as “scripture” that did not get final acceptance."
Your attempt is absolutely dishonest. Unless, of course, somehow YOUR reading comprehension skills (rather, the lack thereof) led you to believe that that is what I stated. If so, then I suggest you run down to your nearest community college and enroll in a basic reading comprehension course. Otherwise, you've intentionally posted that I stated something I did not... nor even meant.
And no, I am NOT mincing my words here... as no one else here appears to be mincing theirs. Everyone's putting their "all" out there on this, so so am I. Because I am tired of this. Folks always want to say that believers twist things to justify what they believe. I have no doubt that some who believe themselves to "believers" might do so (and for those who I KNOW are going to take issue with that statement... because you simply CANNOT help yourselves... even you must admit that JWs believe they are "believers", yet, how CAN they be... and follow the false prophet they do??). THIS, though, is a CLASSIC example of how a non-believer will take something stated and absolutely, completely turn it around to state AND MEAN something else entirely from what was stated/intended... to serve their own purposes and support their own position. And it happens ALL the time.
I am not sure if you're aware, dear mp, but let me help you understand, if you don't... that this is a form of deceit... and one used by SO many ("Oh, people are stupid; they don't REALLY read anything that goes beyond a few sentences, so I'll say THIS... and no one will be the wiser!") SMACKS of WTBTS and other cult tactics. That a non-believer is resorting to deceit is no surprise to ME, however. And I also see it all the time with some who profess to be believers (and I say profess... because it makes no sense to ME that someone considers themself a "christian" but not a "believer"... OR even believe that "Jesus" or whatever THEY call him/claim to follow ever really exist - I mean, can you BE a "christian" if you don't believe in Christ??). Both do it, unbelievers and those who CLAIM to be believers... because they don't know the TRUTH... Christ. If they did, they would learn to speak ONLY truth. Even if others don't believe, agree, like, or understand it.
But twisting others' words? I don't engage in it... and when I'm aware of others doing it to mine, I speak up. I say it straight... ALWAYS... even if others don't believe it... like it... agree with it... or even understand it. It is the very reason that I "dissect" the comments I respond to: so that everyone will know EXACTLY what the commenter STATED... and what I am responding to.
Please... don't misstate my words. If you aren't sure, either condescent to go back and re-read... or ask for clarification. Me... or Christ.
A slave of Christ,
SA, who woke up grumpy this morning, yeah, and so ain't in the mood for this melarkey... yet. Maybe after some breakfast and coffee... but not right now, no. Uh-uh. Nope.