Who did jesus look like, his mom or his dad? (page 7)

EntirelyPossible

The conception of Jesus was not the first time God did what seemed impossible and invisibly so

How did all the other angels and such come into being without human conception ?

Well, playing in the realm of the Bible, they weren't human.

They didn't have a mother. I don't see that applies.

AGuest

Now while Jesus was of Adam's race according to the flesh yet He did not inherit Adam's nature.

This is true, dear Calib (peace to you, dear one!); however, this is not. Well, not entirely:

This alone will prove that sin is not transmitted through the flesh. It is transmitted through the blood and not the flesh, and even though Jesus was of the "Seed of David according to the flesh" this could not make him a sinner.

People don't understand what sin is: it is not just something related to the spirit (through which a man sins - commits sin), but also related to the body (flesh)... because the latter has sin (and thus, death) IN it. EVERYTHING about our bodies is sinFUL (FULL of sin). NOT that the body sins (although it can!)... but the body DIES. True, one CAN "sin" with one's body... however, such sin is not a result of the body alone, but the spirit giving in to the will of the body... and not STOPPING it from sinning. The body, having sin (and thus death) IN it... wants to sin. The spirit is what stops it FROM sinning. Even so, the body will still die - because of the "sin"... corruption (sickness, disease, aging) IN it... even if the SPIRIT in it does not sin. That is what occurred with my Lord. And for us, there is nothing we can do about that.

The body has sin IN it because it has Adham's blood (after HE sinned) in it. It is what we received from him... through Seth (who was made in ADHAM's image, not God's). The only thing that can cleanse the body OF sin... is blood. But not man's blood. Because man's blood is not clean - it has "corruption" (sickness, disease, death) IN it. God's blood, though, holy spirit... CAN cleanse. Because IT is clean! That is what is meant by "washing their robes in the blood of the Lamb." The outer garment... the body of flesh... is WASHED, and so cleansed (of sin - sickness, disease, death)... by that blood, holy spirit.

Christ had a sinFUL body... a body FULL OF SIN... because that's what he inherited from Mary, whose body was also sinFUL:

"For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh..."Romans 8:3

We know Christ had sinFUL flesh not only because (1) he received his vessel from Mary, a woman of flesh (vs. the Woman of Genesis and Revelation, Jerusalem Above), which flesh had sin in IT; (2) he received the sins of others into it; and (3) he died... but because he HAD to have such. Why? In order to be tested... IN ALL RESPECTS... as WE are! If he had a body that did not have sin IN it... that could not give IN to sin... then there was absolutely NO point in him FASTING... before subjecting himself to the Adversary's attempts to tempt him! He fasted... to WEAKEN that body... which, had it been on of US... would have CAUSED him to give in! His BODY would have forced the matter, because it would not have been able to handle... and overcome... it's SUFFERING. Unlike us, though, he got through it... in SPITE of the (very) weakened condition of his body! While the Adversary did attempt to tempt him WHILE he was fasting... that one didn't really turn up the heat... UNTIL he (Christ) became hungry. Many of us can't even go a few hours without eating... let alone a day... 7 days... or forty days! By THAT time... my Lord's FLESH... "thought" it was SURELY going to die! But he did not listen to it - he let it suffer even more, while the Adversary continued working on him.

SinLESS flesh, however... flesh that does NOT have sin, and thus death, IN it... does not die. It cannot die... because there is nothing IN it to CAUSE it to die.

In spite of the vessel of sinFUL flesh that he had, though, Christ did not give IN... and allow the vessel TO sin. Because he had a sinLESS spirit! Because THAT part of him he received directly from his Father, the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies. Like Adham, he was a half-breed: half terrestrial (in body) and half celestrial (in spirit). He flesh came from his mother, a physical woman (as did Adham's, from the physical earth), but his LIFE ESSENCE (spirit) came from his Father... a spirit being (as did Adham's, via JAH's breath). They were DIFFERENT, though (contrary to what some teach) in that the body Adham FIRST had did NOT have sin and death IN it. His body did not have such... until it was given a "long garment of skin" as a covering. The "soiled outer garment". Versus the "white robe/outer garment."

Christ was able to NOT sin with his body... because he used his SPIRIT to overcome. But this was not just a given; it was VERY hard WORK for him. He was not born being obedient to God such that he could immediately overcome the desires of his flesh. He had to learn to CHOOSE:

"... JaHVeH Himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. He shall eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good. For before the boy knows howto refuse the evil and choose the good, the land whose two kings you dread will be deserted." Isaiah 7:14-16

He learned to control his flesh, through obedience and with MUCH supplication... even begging... for HELP:

" In the days of his flesh, [Jesus] offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him, being designated by God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek." Hebrews 4:7-10

This "suffering" was NOT what he experienced at the hands of his opposers; it was what his FLESH experienced... when he DENIED it its desires! For example, when we fast (heck, diet!)... our flesh FEELS as if it's suffering. When we have other "urges" that we deny our flesh, our flesh "protests" and "complains" because it wants us to know its SUFFERING.

So sin... is TWO things: that which exists in our flesh, by means of the impurities/corruption in our flesh... as well as what we DO with the flesh... by means of the impurities/corruption of our SPIRITS. There IS sin... and we CAN sin. Christ, although having sin in his flesh, did NOT sin with is SPIRIT. Unlike us... who both HAVE sin IN us... AND (commit) sin with our spirits.

Conception by the Holy Ghost then was the only way the Virgin Birth could be accomplished. Mary contributed to the body of Jesus and He became the "seed of David according to the flesh."

This is partially true. There was no Holy "Ghost"... there was the holy spirit of JAH: His seed. JAH gave HIS seed to Mary (immaculately as He did not do so by means of a body of flesh - as the Nephilim once did - and so no seed was spilled. He put it IN her... just as He put His breath in Adham - directly from Him).

The Holy Spirit contributed the Blood of Jesus. It was sinless blood. It was Divine blood. It is Precious Blood for there has never been any other like it.

This is also only partially true. The MOST Holy One of Israel contributed the blood - HIS blood... holy spirit... yes. He gave His seed to Mary. It was not contributed BY "the Holy Spirit"... because Christ IS that Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:17). It was... and is... sinLESS blood, yes. Because it is Divine blood... the very blood of God Himself. It does NOT have corruption IN it... and thus, does not have sin... and so does not have DEATH... in it!

Because it is the blood of LIFE! Because it comes FROM the Life: the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... who gave it to His Son... who, because of this... IS, for US, the Life:

"I am... the Life!" John 14:6

He is the Life... because he is the MEANS by which God GRANTS life... His BLOOD... to mankind! There is no other blood like it, true; however, it is the same blood that Adham FIRST had... before he was given a "long garment of skin" that had its own blood... blood with sin, death... corruption... in IT. Prior to that, Adham did not die - because death had not yet entered the world. Because it had not yet entered ADHAM. All he had IN him, until that time... was life.

And that is what is being held out to ALL of mankind (and NOT just Israel, any longer!)... through Christ, the Life: life... everlasting. By means of the blood of God... holy spirit... the "water"... OF life. Which flows from the INNERMOST PARTS... of the Son of God and His Christ, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah).

May you, then, dear Caliber, be given ears to hear... if you so wish them... so as to hear and get the sense of these truths, as well as to hear when that Spirit and His Bride say to YOU:

"Come! Take 'life's WATER'... the holy spirit of God, which is His BLOOD (as well as His breath and seed, indeed EVERY aspect of HIS life force)... FREE!"

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

Band on the Run

I believe that any God who could condemn a person b/c of what some barely functioning Neaderthal did thousands of years ago is not worthy of being called God. We suffer from humanity, the same way tigers suffer from being tigers. Why would God create flesh that was bad. He declared creation good.

cofty

EVERYTHING about our bodies is sinFUL (FULL of sin) - Shelby

This fundamental teaching of christianity is thoroughly repugnant. It is a cult of death that denigrates all that we are as humans.

If you needed evidence that the world would be a better place without religion I give you this.

It is the number one reason why I hate christianity.

caliber

The common denominator of every part of the physical universe is movement. Everything moves and changes. From the planets and stars down to the atoms. ... in pondering this, can even thee human spirit (essence of life ).... be said to be part of the physical universe ?

AGuest

When you own your own forum, you can post with full abandon.

Apparently, one can do so here, as well. To their great credit, the owners here don't seem to have a problem with much of what is posted It's only those who don't own it... or moderate it... who seem to do so and want to censor what others post.

Only the people you admit as members can interrupt you.

Since only members can post on most forums, that would seem to be a given.

Why would someone with such a platform decide to come to JWN, where there is such a rich mix of people.

The rich MIX of people? Why would someone assume that a forum where there is such a rich mix of people would only want to hear one thing?

You cannot control the action here.

And may the day come when those who think they can actually grasp that truth... and stop complaining about what is posted here... and by whom.

Call me crazy

Ummmmm... naw, 'cause I don't think you could handle it as well as you expect others to when YOU call THEM such...

but I believe it indicates a call for attention.

Some things do. Thing is... attention to Whom? Most can handle it when people call attention to themselves. Apparently, some can't handle it when attention is called to the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... or to His Son and Christ, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... whose name such ones apparently can't even spell... let alone utter. Now, just why IS that, do you suppose?

Perhaps no one listens to you when there is no controversy.

Perhaps no one listens to certain ones enough to their own liking... and they can't bear the thought that such ones just might be, if not are, listening to someone else. Indeed, they've gone on record stating their disbelief at... and utter anger about... that.

Not that any such situation exists here.

Well, perhaps not what you're referring to, but certainly what I am. Since it's true, though, I don't have to obscure it with words...

We've been threatened with banning by someone who is not a mod or owner.

No, you have not. And your stating such only serves to further show the deficiency of your reading skills. Again.

Outrageous celebs or people such as the Kardashians with no talent except to brand are nevertheless celebs. They laugh at us. We laugh at them. C'est la vie.

Posters with no knowledge or understanding of things they purport to have knowledge/understanding about nevertheless still post on those matters. Some look up to them. They laugh at us. We pray for them. Que sera, sera...

A slave of Christ,

SA