Is God able and willing? Yes. Then whence comes evil? Us.
School Shooting - God
by elder-schmelder 58 Replies latest jw friends
I'm trying to think (peace to you all!): if something similar happened to one of my children, as anguished, angered, sad, mad, and disgusted as I would feel... which would I rather hear? Given what I understand, for me it wouldn't be either: the atheist POV (they're gone forever)... or the "christian" view (they've gone to be with God in heaven). But it's NOT me... and unlike my former way of handling these things ala WTBTS... I think the best thing is that if one cannot tell a parent who is in such a situation what that parent wants/NEEDS to hear at a time like this (which could be either, the atheist POV or the "christian" POV... or none of these - what of any Jewish or other folks affected??)... one should just say something along the lines of:
"I am SO sorry! HOW can help? Is there anything YOU need/anything I can do [for you]?"
Anything beyond that, regardless of one's faith, belief, religion, lack thereof, whatever... is not only unkind and unloving... it's absurd, even ridiculous.
Using situations like this to "fight" about/over God/religion/faith/belief, etc... is SO WTBTS.
I hope those that are doing it are also considering... seriously and honestly... their own relationships with their own children.
A slave of Christ,
A very valid and needed jab to my side, Shelby.
"These kids are now with their loving God, and are not sad at all. They are in a wonderful place right now, seeing more amazing things and meeting more amazing people than any of us ever have. "
BIZARRE! We could be thankful to the gunman in this way of thinking. Sick!
Mike Huckabee said it was a lack of god in schools that leads to these shootings. And he said that in response to the shooting.
At a time like this, a lot of frustration comes out in the form of deeply felt emotional convictions. Unfortunately, they do not hold the solution to preventing these horrors.
There is an answer, but it would involve the entire evolution of western society in respect to everything from entertainment to mental health screening and action to prevent young people from regarding human life as worthless, including their own.
Right now these incidents fall in the category of suicide terrorist attacks on innocents.
We must start guarding our schools as we do our courts and transportation points.
**** God didn't stop this from happing*****
God did not stop you from making this statement either.
*** How can someone believe that god is real?***
If he is NOT, then why blame a non existant person/entity?..
Jobs friends accused Job of being evil, because God does not allow bad things to happen to good people...so Job you are bad.....
Job insisted he was righteousness and accused God of allowing the bad to go unpunished and the good to suffer.
God asked Job for the same courtesy, if Job is not bad despite the norms of reaping what you sow, why is God assumed bad based on the same norms....Can there be more variables in the equation ?
RLST 145: INTRODUCTION TO THE OLD TESTAMENT (HEBREW BIBLE
Lecture 20 - Responses to Suffering and Evil: Lamentations and Wisdom Literature
This lecture begins with the Book of Lamentations, a short book of dirges that laments the destruction of Jerusalem and moves on to introduce the third and final section of the Hebrew Bible - the Ketuvim, or "Writings." This section of the Bible contains three books that exemplify the ancient Near Eastern literary genre of "Wisdom" -- Proverbs, Job and Ecclesiastes. Proverbs reinforces the Deuteronomistic idea of divine retributive justice according to which the good prosper and the evil are punished. The conventional assumption of a moral world order is attacked in the Book of Job. The book explores whether people will sustain virtue when suffering and afflicted, and brings charges of negligence and mismanagement against God for failing to punish the wicked and allowing the righteous to suffer.
ResourcesHandout: Book of Job [PDF]
(1) Introduction to Ketuvim (JSB pp. 1275-9)
(2) Introduction to Lamentations, Proverbs, Job and Ecclesiastes (JSB pp. 1447-9,1499-1505, 1587-1589, 1603-1606)
(3) Lamentations 1-5; Proverbs 1-13, 32; Job 1-11, 21-31, 38-42; Ecclesiastes 1-12
- The Book of Lamentations [ 00:00:00 ]
- An Introduction to Wisdom Books in the "Ketuvim" [ 00:08:31 ]
- The Book of Proverbs [ 00:13:19 ]
- Structure of and Literary Components in The Book of Job [ 00:19:48 ]
- Prose Prologue in the Book of Job [ 00:25:40 ]
- Poetic Speech Cycles in the Book of Job [ 00:30:36 ]
- God's Response in the Book of Job [ 00:45:26 ]
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Oh good grief! I heard this on FOX NEWS today!!!
Beks - you are becoming more well balanced!
You listened to FOX NEWS!
(** admits that - as cute as she is in her little anti culture way - I cannot stand Rachel Maddow **)