Why aren't you an Atheist?

by Bloody Hotdogs! 697 Replies latest jw friends

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  sabastious

  God is not required.

  This is not a conclusion, only an opinion. What we know is that Order is required for us to be, and where does Order come from? The "Science" answer is "Nothing." Now this answer is interesting coming from the ones who say that "life didn't come from random chance." Because that's been the goto argument from theists. If life came from Nothing how do we know it can't become something else rather than what we are from that Nothing? This begs the question, "What is chance?" Because if this is the ONLY way Nothing becomes Something then there actually is NO CHANCE because chance implies an array of possible outcomes, not just one. Is this "Nothing becoming Something" a roll of the dice or does it HAVE to become what it became? Because if chance doesn't exist then that would be a compelling argument for God as it would imply an unchanging eternal force which is how God has always been described.

  -Sab
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  sabastious

  Uh, gravity is not a THING, but an invisible force.

  Stop acting like you know what it is. Energy IS matter and therefore it's not wrong to say that a particular energy is a thing.

  -Sab
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  King Solomon

  We've been over this before, Sab: the problem with your "order implies God" claim is the very co-existence of CHAOS, which is actually more prevalent on the Planet and in the Universe than order is.

  In fact, that's why it safer to assume that the default status of an unknown system IS chaotic, since orderliness is the exception to the rule.

  Stop acting like you know what it is. Energy IS matter and therefore it's not wrong to say that a particular energy is a thing.

  Sab, your "I'm an idiot" flag is proudly flying now, as it's clear you've not taken even a high-school course in physics.

  While matter and energy can be converted into the other (eg building a fire with firewood, or in reverse, the Sun's energy harnassed by photosynthesis to grow the tree), that doesn't mean they ARE the same: wood (matter) is not sunlight (energy), and sunlight (energy) is not wood (matter)....

  Einstein is famous for his formula which showed the interconversion of matter and energy (E=mc^2), but that also doesn't mean matter and energy ARE the same.
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  EntirelyPossible

  Since we cannot explain gravity there's no way of knowing whether it's moral or not using logic. However it's easily explained in a religious framework and that's that gravity is moral because God is righteous.

  Gravity is not 100% understood, but's not a mystical force that's unpredictable and unexplainable like your God. Are cutting off baby penis parts moral in the same sense gravity is? Slavery? Abortion? All things your God commanded.

  Please explain how gravity is the same as cutting off part of a baby penis in non-sterile environment without the benefit of antiseptics or anti-biotics because God.
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  sabastious

  We've been over this before, Sab: the problem with your "God = order" claim is the very existence of CHAOS, which is actually more prevalent on the Planet and in the Universe than order is.

  Yes, this is a problem and the answer is in Genesis 3:1.

  -Sab
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  sabastious

  Please explain how gravity is the same as cutting off part of a baby penis in non-sterile environment without the benefit of antiseptics or anti-biotics because God.

  Both are not well understood and often misrepresented as pure chaos when they are not. Both are a means to more order and therefore are order themselves.

  -Sab
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  EntirelyPossible

  Stop acting like you know what it is. Energy IS matter and therefore it's not wrong to say that a particular energy is a thing.

  Stop acting like YOU know what it is. How is gravity EITHER matter or energy? What form of which is it?
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  EntirelyPossible

  Both are not well understood and often misrepresented as pure chaos when they are not. Both are a means to more order and therefore are order themselves.

  Sorry, not an answer. How does cutting off baby penis = gravity because God?
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  cofty

  Sab - you are getting increasingly frenetic and illogical. I am going to leave you to it for now.
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  sabastious

  Sab - you are getting increasingly frenetic and illogical. I am going to leave you to it for now.

  This is the way it always ends. It's because you don't have a leg to stand on while saying God doesn't exist. You just have an opinion, just as I do. The difference between us is that one accepts that fact and one does not.

  -Sab