What is God's Kingdom?

by Gods_Kingdom 60 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Finkelstein
    Gods_Kingdom says ......

    Wheres the Map?!..

    The Bible is the map. The Kingdom is God's heavenly Kingdom government that will rule over the earth after Armageddon. How do you get there? Pray for Holy Spirit to guide you,

    You can be best assured you wont find God's Kingdom anywhere near the Watchtower Corporation, that filthy lying corrupt house of charlatans that many of us know about why ? because we were once apart of it. You cant learn what the bible truly says by reading and absorbing the teachings from commercialized false prophets running their own publishing house, they have been preaching a false tainted Gospel for a long time now, basking in their own self power and control, power and control they created themselves I might add.

    God's Kingdom your obviously in a state of self delusion, mentally infused by the WTS. indoctrination that they instill to its followers . Its easy to see your brainwashed with that intentional self supporting indoctrination.

    This is easy to observe because when your posed with a question you automatically answer exactly to how you been programmed by the WTS. When you become a JWS you are mentally programmed to think and respond to how the WTS wants you to respond, when the questioning becomes too contravening you leave it and show no respect to the question or the person, which is another typical tactic seen time and time again by adamantly devoted JWS.

    And just to clarify are you going to count your time here discussing JWS doctrines ?

    You mentioned that you wont answer criticism on JW doctrines, which kind of leads people to think you've just come here to preach and not debate or have a openly frank discussion about anything. If that is only your intent, beware that you will eventually labeled an unremitting troll.

  • Viviane
    No one has ever seen God so no artists rendering of His facial features is ever made.

    Moses saw god unless you don't believe the bible.

    The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent.

  • Viviane
    Those who criticize are usually too busy to preach the good news of God's Kingdom. When was the last time you explained God's Kingdom to someone using scriptures to back up your belief? God's Kingdom is one of the main themes of the Bible.

    You're way ahead of yourself.

    What is God made of? Spirit? What is that? Where do I find it and how can I detect it?

    Once we figure that out, we can discuss whether or not a god is made of that stuff.

  • Finkelstein

    I dont think G_K has read the bible throughly, he says no one has seen god's face and no man has seen an angel, I'm no bible scholar but I'm quite sure there are instances in the bible where men have.

  • Finkelstein

    Oh oh look what I found

    Exodus 24:9-11

    9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

  • Finkelstein

    There are many instances of angels appearing before men, sometimes standing in view.

    Here's one ....

    An angel appears to Zacharias the priest declaring he will have a son to be named John (John the Baptist).

    11. Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense. 12. And when he saw the angel, Zacharias was troubled, and fear fell upon him. 13. But the angel said to him, "Fear not, Zacharias, because your supplication has been heard; and your wife Elizabeth shall bear a son to you, and you shall call his name John. (Luke 1)

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    (Exodus 24:11) He did not harm the distinguished men of Israel, and they saw a vision of the true God and ate and drank.

  • leaving_quietly

    This thread is painful, and a rehash of so many other threads here where active JWs come and try to preach to us. We've already rejected many JW teachings because we have found they are either (1) based on assumption or speculation, (2) taken out of context (you quoted a portion of Proverbs 4:18 about the "light getting brighter"... why not go and read Proverbs 4 and see the context), (3) contradicted by other verses, (4) completely made up based on some "dual prophecy" system (e.g. 1914 based on Daniel 4).

    You may be interested in this little piece of trivia. The phrases "God's Kingdom" and "Kingdom of God" never appear in the Hebrew Scriptures. Don't believe me? Fire up your WT Library and search for those phrases (include the quotes) and see what Bible verses contain them. Thus, what we have to explain God's Kingdom are using Christ's words. He stated, "The Kingdom of God is in your midst." (Luke 17:21). He used illustrations to explain and compare the Kingdom of God. (see Mark 4, for example). He indicated the Kingdom of God could be taken away from some and given to others. (Matt 21:43). He also indicated that people back then were not far from the Kingdom of God, and that the Kingdom of God was near. (Mark 1:15; Mark 12:34; Luke 10:8-11). Strangely, Christ never said that the Kingdom of God was a government that would solve all of man's problems. Not once. I'm not saying that that won't be a side effect of God's Kingdom, but since there is no record at all of Christ saying that's what God's Kingdom is, then is that really the message that we should be preaching? The question really isn't, "What is God's Kingdom?" It's "what is the good news of God's Kingdom?" Is the good new the fact that God's Kingdom is going to end the wickedness of this system and usher in a peaceful new world, solving all or man's problems? Or is the good news of the kingdom something else entirely?

    We can find out what that good news is simply be doing our own research. Looking up the phrase "good news" in the Bible yields useful information. For example:

    1 Pet 1:23-25: "Now that you have purified yourselves by your obedience to the truth with unhypocritical brotherly affection as the result, love one another intensely from the heart. 23 For you have been given a new birth, not by corruptible, but by incorruptible seed, through the word of the living and enduring God. 24 For “all flesh is like grass, and all its glory is like a blossom of the field; the grass withers, and the flower falls off, 25 but the saying of Jehovah endures forever.” And this “saying” is the good news that was declared to you."

    (Note, verse 23 uses the Greek word logou for "word" (Strong's 3056), but in verse 25, the "saying" (footnote, "word") is the Greek word, "rhema"). "logou" is the same root word as "logos", used in John 1:1, also Strong's 3056). Who is the "logos"? Christ, of course.

    But, back to "good news", The "saying" is the good news. What saying? "The saying of Jehovah". Is there a way for us to know particularly what that was? Yes!

    Acts 13:32-37: "“So we are declaring to you the good news about the promise made to the forefathers. 33 God has completely fulfilled it to us, their children, by resurrecting Jesus; just as it is written in the second psalm: ‘You are my son; today I have become your father.’ 34 And the fact that He resurrected him from the dead never again to return to corruption, He has stated in this way: ‘I will give you the expressions of loyal love promised to David, which are faithful.’ 35 So it also says in another psalm: ‘You will not allow your loyal one to see corruption.’ 36 David, on the one hand, rendered service to God in his own generation, fell asleep in death, was laid with his forefathers, and did see corruption. 37 On the other hand, the one whom God raised up did not see corruption."

    Thus, the good news of God's Kingdom is all about the Christ. It is all about Christ becoming God's son, a fulfillment of God's promise to David, and it is about the resurrection of Christ. THAT is the good news. The scriptures show unequivocally that Christ is the good news of God's Kingdom.

    But JWs don't preach that. JWs preach "another sort of good news". (Gal 1:6-9) And that's why I am no longer on board with what JWs preach.

  • leaving_quietly

    Oh, BTW, welcome to the forum. Hope you can stay awhile and learn some things.

    One thing I learned is found in Luke 21:8. This verse is rarely cited by the organization. According to the WT Library CD, using the Scripture Index, the last time this verse was directly used was in 1964. I wonder why that is?

  • FayeDunaway
    Yeah, quoting that scripture would be like saying 'DONT FOLLOW US!!!'

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