September 11, the conspiracy theory!

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  • Nicolas
    Nicolas

    Here is what they say about 9/11 at the adress http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=101&contentid=483

    (March 10, 2002) -- Eureka! One of my readers, who calls himself
    "Snake Plissken," has put it together. He tells us why the passenger
    lists of the four September 11 "suicide" jets were so small, how
    remote control was used, why the transponders were turned off, why
    the radar tracks of the four planes were confused, why there was no
    Boeing 757 debris at the Pentagon ...

    By George, I think he's got it!

    My e-mail exchanges with Snake took place over a series of days.
    With Snake's agreement, I have consolidated the exchanges, inserted
    some reference URLs, and made minor edits. My comments and additions
    will be bracketed thus [ ]. As you read what Snake has to say, keep
    the following in mind:

    "Magic is the pretended performance of those things which cannot be
    done. The success of a magician's simulation of doing the impossible
    depends upon misleading the minds of his audiences. This, in the
    main, is done by adding, to a performance, details of which the
    spectators are unaware, and leaving out others which they believe you
    have not left out.
    In short a performance of magic is largely a
    demonstration of the universal reliability of certain facts of
    psychology." (John Mulholland, "The Art of Illusion," Charles
    Scribner & Sons, 1944.)

    In what follows, Snake unravels the illusions of the 9-11 magicians.

    ===

    Carol,

    You did some fine research on 9-11. You came within inches of
    solving the puzzle of the "suicide" jets, and now you need the rest
    of the story. Let me explain by making a suggestion.

    Go visit a bumblebee hive some time, and try to keep your eye on just
    one bee. You can't do it. You get confused. Think of the 9-11
    jets as bumblebees. Matter of fact, you could even call Operation
    911 "Flight of the Bumble Planes."

    I've worked in cryptology and there are many ways of hiding the
    truth. Substitute information, omit information, scramble the
    information out of sequence, and add nonsense (random garbage). All
    four methods were used on the 9-11 incident. Let me lay out the
    clues and show you where they lead.

    THE CLUES

    * First Clue -- Few Passengers On The Four Flights: Many have
    remarked about the short passenger lists on the four 911 jets. You
    might get a low turnout for a 767 or 757 now and then, but four
    coast-to-coast flights taking off from the East inside of a few
    minutes of each other, all with short passenger lists? Nuts. That's
    your first clue.

    * Second Clue -- First Report of First WTC Crash: The second clue
    comes from the first New York eyewitness on NBC. She had no question
    about what she saw. You could hear it in her voice. If she was the
    state's witness, the defense team would have their heads between
    their knees before she stopped talking.

    What did she say? She heard an airplane coming in low and looked up.
    She saw a small private jet, and watched it fly into the first WTC
    tower, the North tower. She was certain in her description -- most
    people know the difference between a big round-nose commercial jet
    and a smaller plane.

    [ CV cmments:
    [ In his testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee on
    October 25, 2001, NORAD commander Ralph Eberhart said of the first
    September 11 report: "We were told it was a light commuter airplane.
    It didn't look like that was caused by a light commuter airplane."

    [ http://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/HomelandDefenseTranscript.doc
    [ http://www.Public-Action.com/911/eberhart-testimony.html ]

    Later, some dodgy report came in from an anonymous source in the
    "United Airlines Command Center" that American Airlines had a
    hijacking, and they gradually padded the story out until the viewer
    felt like he was part of an unfolding revelation on the size and make
    of the plane. So the first eyewitness's story got shellacked.

    * Third clue -- Pentagon Crash: The first report on NBC said there
    had been an explosion near the Pentagon heliport. No mention of a
    plane.

    If you were watching ABC, the first reports cited eyewitnesses who
    said a business jet had crashed into the Pentagon. Notice that this
    description is similar to the first report about the WTC. A small
    plane, not a big, round nosed passenger jet.

    Then ABC interviewed some media executive who said he "saw the whole
    thing" from his car on the freeway. It was an American Airlines
    passenger jet. Good luck the road didn't need his attention while he
    was gawking. And of course it was a big passenger jet scraping the
    light poles with it's belly as it came in low. And that story paved
    the way for the official truth.

    * Fourth Clue -- No Boeing 757 Debris at Pentagon Crash Site. By now
    lots of people have realized there is something very wrong with the
    story of Flight 77's crash into the Pentagon. What's the problem?
    The wingspan of a 757 is about 125 feet, with about 35 feet between
    the two jet engines.

    [ http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757-200/ext.html
    [ http://www.Public-Action.com/911/boeing757-200

    The hole left by whatever hit the building was 70 feet across.

    [ US News & World Report, December 10, 2001, pg. 31
    [

    After the smoke died down, everyone could see the Pentagon but no one
    could see the plane. The Pentagon is made of masonry -- limestone --
    not steel and glass. The aluminum wings of the plane should have
    been ripped off and left outside the building. We should have seen
    wing wreckage. But there was none.

    [ CV comments:
    [ I have studied TV footage taken contemporaneously by various
    networks and reviewed photos from news magazines published just after
    9-11. After the smoke died down, no Boeing 757 debris was visible.

    [ See the following URLs at the website of the U.S. Army Military
    District of Washington, D.C., sent to me by researcher John DiNardo,

    . By the way, Mr. DiNardo suspects that
    inside explosives were used at the Pentagon on 9-11. Certainly the
    damaged section of the building had just been renovated; explosives
    would have been easy to install. ]

    [ http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/firetruck.html

    [ http://www.Public-Action.com/911/pentagon6

    [ http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/capitolview.html

    [ http://www.Public-Action.com/911/pentagon5

    [ http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/cars damaged.html

    [ http://www.Public-Action.com/911/pentagon2 ]

    [The scenes depicted by the US Army photos are consistent with
    contemporaneously published photos in the popular press. See, for
    example, US News and World Report, September 14, 2001, pg. 40.

    [
    [ and the photo that appeared in Newsweek's 2001 "Extra" edition,
    pgs. 26, 27.
    [

    [ This photograph below, with caption, appeared on the US Army
    Military District of Washington site. It unwittingly demonstrates
    that there was no Boeing 757 wreckage. Think now: a hundred thousand
    pounds of seats, framework, skin plates, engine parts, flaps, wheels,
    luggage, interior panels, electronics, and this little out-of-context
    scrap of God-knows what was shown by the Pentagon.
    http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/planepiece.html

    http://www.Public-Action.com/911/pentagon0

    [ In the last several months, largely as a result of Mr. DiNardo's
    work, there has been growing Internet discussion of the lack of
    Boeing 757 debris outside the Pentagon. Now, magically, new photos
    of "Boeing 757" Pentagon wreckage are beginning to appear. Check out
    the websites of Mike Rivero and Joe Vialls
    for copies of these fakes. Rivero and Vialls, by endorsing them as
    real, have surely identified themselves as members of the fake
    opposition.

    [ OK. Now back to Snake Plissken]

    * Fifth Clue -- Quality of Pilots in Pentagon crash: As you point out

    [ Operation 911: NO SUICIDE PILOTS, http://www.Public
    action.com/911/robotplane.html ]

    the flying instructors who trained the "suicide" pilots of Flight 77
    said they were hopeless. "It was like they had hardly even ever
    driven a car ..." The flight instructors called the two, "dumb and
    dumber," and told them to quit taking lessons.

    Yet the Washington Post described the maneuvers of Flight 77 before
    it hit the Pentagon. The huge jet took a 270 degree hairpin turn to
    make its target. The Post said Flight 77 had to be flown by expert
    pilots.

    Something is wrong here. Now "dumb and dumber" are expert pilots.
    That is your fifth clue.

    * Sixth Clue -- Transponders Turned Off: As you point out, the
    "hijackers" turned off the transponders which transmit information
    showing the airline names, flight numbers, and altitude. But the FAA
    also uses conventional radar, so the "hijackers" must have known the
    planes were still visible. Why would the "hijackers" shut the
    transponders off, you asked? You are looking at your sixth clue.

    ["Did NORAD Send The 'Suicide' Jets?" Part 1
    [ http://www.Public-Action.com/911/noradsend.html ]

    * Seventh Clue -- Confusion On Radar Tracks: As you point out, some
    of these flights disappeared from the conventional radar scopes.
    [See above-cited URL.] That's your seventh clue.

    * Eighth Clue -- Second WTC Tower Barely Hit: Have a look at the
    footage of the second WTC tower being hit. The plane almost missed
    the tower and just managed to hit the corner. Yet the first plane
    struck its target dead center. That's your eighth clue.

    [ See diagrams from Wag the WTC website at:
    [ http://www.Public Action.com/911/psyopnews/Extra/1/southtowerpath.jpg

    HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED

    * A Boeing 767 was secured and painted up to look like a United
    Airlines jet. It had remote controls installed in it, courtesy of
    some NORAD types. Call that plane "Pseudo Flight 175" and leave it
    parked at a military airfield for the moment.

    * The number of the passengers on each flight was kept artificially
    low that day. Easy to do. Just monkey with the airline computers
    and show the fights full so no more tickets are sold. Include some
    of your own operatives in each flight, maybe.

    * After the planes are in the air, the transponders must be shut
    down. There are a few ways to do this, maybe, but the simplest is
    this: Have one of the NORAD insiders call the pilots and say: "This
    is the North American Aerospace Defense Command. There is a national
    emergency. We are under terrorist attack. Turn off your
    transponders. Maintain radio silence. Here is your new flight plan.
    You will land at [name] military air base."

    * The pilots turn off the transponders. The FAA weenies lose the
    information which identifies the airline, the flight number, and the
    altitude of the planes. Of course the planes can still be seen on
    conventional radar, but the planes are just nameless blips now.

    * What did the radar show of the planes' flight paths? We'll never
    see the real records, for sure. But in the spy movies, when the spy
    wants to lose a tail, he gets a double to lead the tail one way while
    the spy goes the other. If I were designing Operation 911, I'd do
    that: As each of the original jets is flying, another jet is sent to
    fly just above or below it, at the same latitude and longitude. The
    blips of the two planes merge on the radar scopes. Alternately, a
    plane is sent to cross the flight path of the original plane. Again,
    the blips merge, just like the little bees you're watching outside
    the hive. The original planes proceed to the military airfield and
    air traffic control is thoroughly confused, watching the wrong blips
    ...

    That's probably close to the way it was managed. Like I say, we'll
    never see the radar records so we won't know exactly.

    [ For the alleged flight paths of the four jets, see
    [ http://www.Public-Action.com/911/4flights.html
    [ For names and locations of military airfields in the US, try
    [ http://www.globemaster.de/bases.html
    [ You can search for a listing of bases in 9-11 related states by
    using the search engine.]

    * A small remote controlled commuter jet filled with
    incendiaries/explosives -- a cruise missile, if you like -- is flown
    into the first WTC tower. That's the plane the first NBC eyewitness
    saw.

    * The remote controlled "Pseudo Flight 175," decked out to look like
    a United airlines passenger jet, is sent aloft and flown by remote
    control - without passengers -- and crashed into the second tower.
    Beautiful! Everyone has pictures of that.

    Why did Pseudo Flight 175 almost miss the second tower? Because the
    remote operators were used to smaller, more maneuverable craft, not a
    big stubborn passenger jet. The operators brought the jet in on a
    tight circle and almost blew it because those jets do hairpin turns
    like the Queen Mary. They brought it in too fast and too close to do
    the job right and just hit the corner of the tower.

    * Then another remote controlled commuter jet filled with
    incendiaries/explosives -- a cruise missile if you like -- hits the
    Pentagon, in the name of Flight 77.

    * Eyewitnesses are a dime a dozen. Trusted media whores "witness"
    the Pentagon hit and claim it was an American Airlines Boeing 757,
    Flight 77. Reporters lie better than lawyers.

    * Meanwhile, the passengers from Flights 11, 175, and 77, now at the
    military airfield, are loaded onto Flight 93. If you've put some of
    your own agents aboard, they stay on the ground, of course.

    * Flight 93 is taken aloft.

    * Flight 93 is shot down or bombed -- makes no difference which.
    Main deal is to destroy that human meat without questions. Easiest
    way to dispose of 15,000 lbs. of human flesh, and nobody gets a
    headline if they find a foot in their front garden. No mass graves
    will ever be discovered, either.

    * The trail is further confused by issuing reports that Flight 77 was
    actually headed towards the White House but changed its course.

    * The trail is further confused by having The Washington Post wax
    lyrical about the flying skills of non-existent pilots on a
    non-existence plane (Flight 77).

    * The trail is further confused with conflicting reports and
    artificial catfight issues, such as -- did The Presidential Shrub
    really see the first tower hit on TV while he was waiting to read the
    story about the pet goat ...

    So we know the Boeing that used to be Flight 93 was blown up. The
    other three original Boeings (Flights 11, 175, 77) still exist
    somewhere, unless they were cut up for scrap.

    The passengers and crews of Flights 11, 175, 77, and 93 died in an
    airplane crash, just like the newspapers said. Only for most of
    them, it was the wrong crash. But that's as close to the truth as
    the news media likes to get anyway, so it works.

    WHY DO IT THAT WAY?

    So there you have it. Not four planes. More than four.

    Do you believe in this theory?

    We become more attuned to the human condition when we recognize that God is not going to fix our problems.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Stupid beyond belief.

    These conspiratist are, at their core, liars. They start from a dishonest premise, and their dishonesty grows with every pimply faced teenager who hangs on their every word at the local coffee shop.

    I'd like to conspire to clip 1/8 inch off their toungues each time they tell a lie or engage in outlandish manipulation of truth. That would shut them up in short order.

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    I'm getting tired of reading this drivel.

    What bothers me is this question: Didn't you learn anything when you left the Borg? Are your abilities to do independent research and critical thinking still dead? If you want to listen to fairey tales go back to the KH?

    There is so much nonsense here I can't take it all on, so I'll just hit one.

    Yes the first reports said it was a business jet. That is because people who are not trained observers of aircraft looking from a position that totally lacked perspective thought it was a small plane. That is because it was small IN COMPARISON TO THE BUILDING. Those buildings are big. Each floor was something like an acre. When viewed from the ground this made the plane LOOK small, it doesn't mean it WAS small.

    Air crash investigators will tell you that eye witnesses are very unreliable. They will see fire where there wasn't any, or parts falling off when the plane was intact, all kinds of things.

  • LB
    LB

    I can't even follow this stuff. The lack of logic is amazing. I log onto a little message board located on Maui and the same drivel is there too.


    Never Squat With Yer Spurs On

  • bigboi
    bigboi

    Well I coulda swore I saw with my own eyes the videotaped recording on CBS last week of the first plane hitting Tower 1. It was the one taped by that crew of firemen who were performing some sort of maintenance near the Tower. That plane most definitely was not a small private plane.

    ONE....

    bigboi

  • Nicolas
    Nicolas

    Yes, but there's still a strange thing about Georges W. Bush. He always say that the America is good and that the other countries like the Iraq are evil. This is almost the same, as I learned in the WBTS, no liberty of thinking and there's only one good way to live and if you don't follow the leader, you are evil and you must be destroy. Beware that you might have a new Hitler in the United States...

    We become more attuned to the human condition when we recognize that God is not going to fix our problems.

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    Nicolas,

    You'd have a point except for that fact that we don't pay people to hijack planeloads of innocent people and fly them into buildings full of more innocent people.

    I'm not saying we don't have our problems, but I think this country has more personal freedom than anywhere else in the world.

    Gee, I guess we should apologize for trying to help others live free too?

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    I suppose all the critics here would as well believe that hitler did not really issue the order to set fire to his own govt's parliament, and nero wasn't responsible for burning his own city.

    SS

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Are you saying stupidity should not be critisized?

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Sixofnine

    Stupidity deserves everything it gets. Do you believe everything the govt tells you? I'm surprised you managed to exit the wt. I find that orgs, be they religions, govts, or corporations, tend to take on lives of their own, using any and all kinds of tactics, including sacrificing small parts of themselves for huge gains, to perpetuate their own survival and growth.

    SS

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