Let's talk about the worst articles from the WT for young people (YPA articles and others).

by Chemical Emotions 64 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • kurtbethel
    kurtbethel

    The publications can not be faulted for giving youth advice about avoiding irresponsible sexual situations, drugs, and other perils that come with immaturity. They give mostly standard issue advice about these things. But then they really drop their credibility when they write about masturbation. They show that at their core, the writers and editors, and ultimately the governing body members are evil manipulative cunning people.

    They outright state that masturbation is not mentioned in scripture. They are correct. In fact, the best that centuries of church scholars have come up with to criticize the matter was in Genesis when Onan was struck dead for spilling his seed on the ground and not impregnating his dead brother's wife. Even if he masturbated to produce this emission, the issue is providing some offspring, and that was what he was punished for.

    So with this background, the WT spins a bunch of guilt around it with absolutely no scripture to support their position. So one could wonder why this is. When you consider it is pretty much a universal practice, then they cunningly know that they can induce guilt in someone doing it, and they can also induce a portion of the "guilty" to confess this sin breach of WT dictates and then have them in a place where they can be manipulated and controlled.

    Some secondary damage could come from people who try to avoid this normal outlet to sexual activity, so they marry young and inappropriately, with all the problems that result from this. The Watchtower creates a problem that does not previously exist, and their is no need for it to exist other than making people fearful and subserviant to them.

    The Catholic church and Mormon church have taught this same load of nonsense, likely for the same manipulative reasons, but isn't the Watchtower supposed to be better and not have the false doctrines of false religion? Apparently this is not the case. They are evil and anyone who loves their children will protect them from this spiritual cancer and abuse.

  • Chemical Emotions
    Chemical Emotions

    Exactly.

    Although I have to disagree with their "standard" advice in other aspects. They are patronizing. Their little "examples" are lame. They tell girls not to flirt or they might be raped (You know, asking for it). They put down flirting in general as if it was evil. They tell kids not to hold hands. They makes the opposite sex seem scary. They stereotype both genders (especially girls). None of that is standard!

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    Chem emotions said:

    I just love one example in an article of a young guy who talked with his father about it and his father actually CRIED and confessed that he had the same problem as a kid. WTF?

    Daddy's defo got some boundary issues there: talk about classic role reversal, LOL!

    @@@@@@

    As a public service to any JW kids lurking and struggling with the issue of masturbation, let me offer this helpful guide called:

    KING SOLOMON'S GUIDE TO MITIGATING THE SIN OF EMISSIONS

    First off, the JW's current anti-masturbation stance is yet another example of the flaw of basing policies on the beliefs of Iron Age men (like me, but never-mind that, for now).

    Here's the deal, from Biology 101 (home-schoolers, take notes: this can be counted towards your course-work, and Mom will thank me for handling this subject for her):

    Sperm and associated fluid are generated 24/7, and as stated above, the fluid IS going to come out of the male's testicles via his penis, one way or the other, whether he wants it to happen or not.

    If he's asleep, the brain will create sexually-erotic imagery in the form of a dream. Consider this as the brain's version of porn (a porn flik where they're the star!), and it's designed to accompany the noctural emission. You might know it by it's name, "wet dream": it's quite normal, just a normal part of male physiology. And last I checked the Torah, physiology isn't a sin (well, no more than a girl having her period is sinful.... Oops, scratch that.... Us ancient Hebrews considered THAT one as impure as male emissions)!

    Anyway, if you believe that masturbation is a sin, based on Jesus' words that created the concept of 'virtual-reality sinning' (you know: "whomever looks upon a women with lust has committed adultery 'in his heart') then Houston, we've got a problem! Jesus has just GUARANTEED that sin is 100% for every male, with that new legal definition he just pulled out of his.... eh, sackcloth.

    So, even if you buy into Jesus' 'thought-sin' scenario, there's still hope for you. How, you ask?

    You can either choose to sin while you're:

    a) unconscious (asleep). Problem is, you cannot control the direction of the fantasy while you're asleep (and you just might make things worse for yourself, if you should dream about having sex with Disney heroines, animals, half-Disney/half-animals, tiny women on roller skates, or <gasp!> males)!

    b) conscious (awake). This means you CAN control the direction of the fantasy, and prevent yourself from making matters worse for yourself (think of a fleshy disembodied torso and vagina: just NO faces!!!)

    So there you go! Pick your poison.... It's all a sin, anyway you do it.

  • Chemical Emotions
    Chemical Emotions

    LMAO! That's pretty great reasoning there! :D

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    (think of a fleshy disembodied torso and vagina: just NO faces!!!)

    Okay----now I try very hard not to be judgemental---but eww. *looks at Sol in a whole different light!*

    But to any teens reading Sol's guide---If this is what you have conjured up----I'm sure you are just normal and I am just uptight. But I'm just sayin'----at least include boobs on the torso. Guys seem to like those.

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    And now back to my conversation with Sol----

    I mean what the hell are you trying to do Sol---raise our kids to be serial killers????

    Back to the teens---not that I think you dismembering barbie dolls and fantasizing makes you abnormal, Dears, I'm just uptight.

    Back to Sol----when those kids bring home their dates, they BETTER have arms and legs---at least a few.

    Back to the teens---not that I'm discouraging you to not fall in love with a disabled person. My own brother (your uncle) is missing a leg and the girls like him just fine.

    Back to Sol---Just buy the kids a f**king magazine and let them figure it out!

    Back to the teens---not that you should ever tell me about it, and you must be 18.

    NC

  • puffthedragon
    puffthedragon

    can someone define addiction in this matter?

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    Kurtbethel,

    In fact, the best that centuries of church scholars have come up with to criticize the matter was in Genesis when Onan was struck dead for spilling his seed on the ground and not impregnating his dead brother's wife. Even if he masturbated to produce this emission, the issue is providing some offspring, and that was what he was punished for.

    The sin though, was having sex with his brother's widow to impregnate her (as he was obligated to do, per the Torah), but then withdrawing before ejaculating ("spilling his seed", a practice which the rappers today refer to as 'skeet shooting': hmmm, I dunno why?). So he was able to enjoy having sex with her, without producing offspring so his dead brother's name could live on (in our goofy ideas about genetics, we actually thought someone's genes could be passed on in this manner.... The things us guys can dream up, and women will believe! Besides, it's not like the God who created mankind was our God YHWH, and He could've given us laws that actually made any real sense!).

    So with this background, the WT spins a bunch of guilt around it with absolutely no scripture to support their position. So one could wonder why this is. When you consider it is pretty much a universal practice, then they cunningly know that they can induce guilt in someone doing it, and they can also induce a portion of the "guilty" to confess this sin breach of WT dictates and then have them in a place where they can be manipulated and controlled.

    As I mentioned before, the Hebrews considered male emissions as rendering one ritually unclean for a time, as did a women's menstruation. A man having sex with a menstruating women was the WORST of all possible sins, on the par with murder and idolatry. This violation could NOT be atoned by sacrifice, and was considered to bring a curse on the land, not just on the offending couple but to all inhabitants of the Land of Israel.

    (interesting that JWs now state that sex during menstruation is a "matter of conscience" for the married couple. Would WTBTS ALSO state that murder and idolatry are "matters of conscience", too? NO? Why not? You downgraded the sin of sex during menstruation, a law YHWH deemed equally important!)

    Some secondary damage could come from people who try to avoid this normal outlet to sexual activity, so they marry young and inappropriately, with all the problems that result from this. The Watchtower creates a problem that does not previously exist, and their is no need for it to exist other than making people fearful and subserviant to them.

    Yup, purely a control issue. Nothing more, nothing less: an excuse to exercise control over others.

  • Chemical Emotions
    Chemical Emotions

    NC, I just about died laughing. Seriously.

  • littlerockguy
    littlerockguy

    I thought the article in YPA Can a guy and a girl just "be friends" and the article frowned on platonic relationships. I thought the article was ridiculous and I couldn't imagine anybody in the borg taking it seriously. I personally always had platonic relationships with women and I know plenty of other men, straight and gay, who have also.

    LRG

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