What is with abusive atheists?

by Fernando 187 Replies latest jw friends

  • tec
    tec

    Yes, as I recall, that was you. I also recall that it was only when you said it that it stopped. Nothing I said made any difference whatsoever. And I think that was quite kind of you---however it was dreadful on the other person's part. It wasn't a general complaint about style---it was a very specific complaint about a very specific argument and it only grew bigger and bigger until you stepped in. What a shame. But thank you for stepping in.

    Oh.

    I hadn't noticed that anything changed after I said something. I... guess that gives me something to think about. I thought it had just run its course, perhaps because of things YOU had explained.

    You are welcome, of course, though there is no need for that.

    Peace to you,

    tammy

  • Fernando
    Fernando

    Thank you laverite. As far as atheists are concerned I would like to learn more about the range of views that fit or do not fit the orthodox definition of what an atheist is (if there is such a definition).

    As far as "Christians" are concerned scripture shows that there would be false claims that Jesus himself would refute.

    If I were to show you a photo of your grandmother and asked you who this person was, you would confess a relationship with her (if you had known and liked her). Many call themselves Christian but are unable to confess any such relationship with Jesus if similarly shown a picture of him (that they recognise and accept). In scripture this is described as a real problem.

    If you claim to be a motorcar enthusiast or salesman, I would have reason to call you out if you told me that a "Ford Falcon" was a bird of prey. This same simple test applies when asking a "Christian" to explain what the "good news", "faith", "belief", "religion" and "spirituality" are.

    My own personal experience along with thousands of hours of careful and prayerful research that born out that "religion" is surreptitiously hostile and antithetical to the "unabridged gospel", and an irreformable enemy of God and man. This is what "Franzgate 1980" was all about - the "gospel of grace" versus the (religiously motivated) legalism of the Watchtower Pharisees and Sanhedrin.

    "Religion" leads us to the "god of religion" whose many bad fruits (most notably deception) are evident in the Watchtower organisation.

    The "unabridged gospel" leads us to the "God of Abraham" who transforms believers from within, and sets them free from addiction to religion, and from the accompanying spiritual blindness.

    I too cannot stop speaking about the things I have personally seen, heard and experienced. However judgment is best left to God, who knows individual hearts, and the time scale of separating the "sheep" and the "goats" as people mature into either of these opposites.

    Persons disposed to "faith", "righteousness", "sanctification" and "eternal life" on God's generous terms, as outlined in the "unabridged gospel" are the "sheep" or "wheat" of scripture.

    Those that are "militantly ignorant" and "malignantly self-righteous" in their pursuit of lustful, wanton, and graven spiritual intercourse with the "god of religion" instead, are the "goats" or "weeds" of scripture (Matt 23:15).

    The group in the middle (of the above two groups) are described as the (spiritually) lost or unrighteous in scripture.

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    I think that's an important point Q. I wouldn't go into a church carrying on about atheism either. That's their place, and I respect their right to have a place. And while I know the believers here are not this extreme, it seems this is often violated by some believers. At my college, for Coming Out Day, the LGBT student group arranged to have some speakers etc. This was done on the main level of the college where there is a lot of traffic. I did not attend, but some Christians did. When people tried to talk, they stood up and started screaming scriptures. Warning the homosexuals were going to hell and blah, blah. It turned out they weren't even students, but had come in just to cause trouble!

    I do think that a great deal more 'respect' is required of atheists than of believers in the real world. I tend to keep to myself about things, but recently when I said I was an atheist a stranger told me I was going to hell. And of course, everyone is always praying for me, even though I find that informing of this is just stupid and disrespectful. I don't care if they pray for me, but I don't want to hear about it. I certainly don't want to have to thank them, so it always puts me in a spot! FSM I hate that! It seems social norms and respect just don't apply to some believers---but I'm pretty sure if I stood with protest signs outside a church I'd be all over the news.

    NC

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    I hadn't noticed that anything changed after I said something. I... guess that gives me something to think about. I thought it had just run its course, perhaps because of things YOU had explained.

    That could be too---and I wouldn't want to draw a false conclusion from a coincidence---but it seemed to be gaining steam (to me anyway) and when you made your comment it stopped abruptly. I just assumed----but that doesn't mean I got it right.

    NC

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    Yeah, Fernando---they say the same thing about you.

    NC

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    What's with all the abusive monkeys? >:O

  • tec
    tec

    There is only one abusive monkey.

    You can feel good again ;)

  • soft+gentle
    soft+gentle

    hey Fernanado, it is great to meet a non-religious believer. I understand what you mean about atheists ignoring what is commonly identified as manifestations of God in themselves. I would love to hear what atheists call these manifestations instead. Somehow the emphasis on reason and rationality alone, devoid of all the feelings associated with what makes us feeling people for example, does not do it for me. (I've only read the opening post so far)

  • avishai
    avishai

    Have'nt been back in awhile, looks like i missed some stuff! Great writing on these points NC!

  • soft+gentle
    soft+gentle

    yes avishai NC does some great writing (creativity at its best) but pls don't complain if we question your stereotypes, NC. These characters take on a life of their own and generate so much faith in them that it is hard to separate fact from fiction.

    eidt: QCMR you are another atheist who seems to love generating the stereotype of believer as victim

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