Osiris, Odin, Jesus

by Chariklo 63 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  mP

  tec

  how can paul be considered a messemger of god if he only mentions three aposltes once, and james by himself a few other times and thats it. if anyone were to produce a watchtower about jesus message using only the letter of paul younwould have only two sentences.

  why does anyone axcept pauls changes to the religion over jesus on extremely important institutioms like circumcision and so on. with what authority does he possess to make these changes?if paul can change the bnible, whats too stop muhammad or joseph smith or david koresh ?
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  WTWizard

  I will add Horus to the list. Horus was the Egyptian sun god.

  And I will add the sun itself. The sun was "born" of a virgin (in Virgo). It comes every day in the morning (assuming you are not under clouds, at a very high latitude during winter, or having a total eclipse at the time), and leaves in the evening. It dies every winter on December 22, sits on the Southern Cross (on the cross) for 3 days, and is resurrected on December 25 every year. And, when it is "born" or resurrected, it has the three kings (which are three stars lined up in Orion) leading the way, with the Star of Bethlehem (Sirius) pointing to where the newborn sun will rise on Christmas morning. If you are still worshiping Jesus, you might do better to worship the sun itself.

  Nice to see more people starting to realize that Jesus is false. Either he never existed and was made up, or his story was highly embellished and he was nothing more than an apostate Jew who was slaughtered for trying to ruin Judaism. Perhaps a sign we are actually in the Age of Aquarius after all--as The Fifth Dimension made mention of in their 1969 hit Aquarius. "When the moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter lines with Mars, then peace will guide the planet and love will steer the stars". That actually happened on February 14, 2012--just a bit more than 6 weeks too late to do OBVES any good.

  That being the case, I would say Armageddon already happened and most people don't even know it. The end of the world (or of this system of things) should be translated, were it not for the Jews trying to religiously enslave the Gentiles) should read "The end of the age". The age referenced in the Bible was Pisces, which started around when Jesus was born. (Or, when he was claimed to have been born, if he was in fact non-existent.) And, now that we are in Aquarius (assuming the Fifth Dimension's line was accurate), the age has ended, and we are actually living in the beginning of "the new system". Only time will tell whether we will enter a golden age, or whether Agenda 21+ will win out.
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  LV101

  There's a guy on the radio --- think his name is Steve Greg (this is broadcasted in places other than the US) and he states (he's done extensive research) re/Jesus and mythology). He says many books have been written and they copy what the prev. one states plus add. He's gone back to the roots of all this (supposedly) and said it's not true. One of the gods that apparently had 12 disciples was hype and there were only a couple, stuff like this. I only catch a line or two when driving but calls come in from everywhere to this guy on a xtian radio station that even has jewish religion on the program.

  I've not done the research --- many of you have but he said you can't make the mistake of picking up one book but have to go back to the original documentation which he spent much time. He doesn't have a church or receive any funds but does stay on the air thru donations which cost many thousands.

  Not that he's telling the truth but many call him about the Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormans --- everything.
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  Chariklo

  Hmm, yes, but all this speculation, tec and mP and LV101 is focusing on detail, as I wrote above. It gets to sound like the WT not being able to see the wood for the trees, even the twigs!

  I don't think any of these religions or mythologies, whichever you see them as, actually, consciously copy one from another. I don't find that probable. What I find much more interesting is the way mythology has grown and evolved along similar themes, though with very different stories when one focuses on detail, even in remote corners of the world.

  Because there is no way the WT chronology of the whole of mankind coming from Adam and Eve in 6,000 odd years is going to stand up to common sense for one moment. We are talking over many, many scores of thousands of years for mythologies and beliefs to develop.
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  LV101

  This is one great topic, Chariklo. Good education. Haven't been exposed to mythology since freshman/highschool -- a summerschool crash course but wish I'd paid attn.

  LV101
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  tec

  He says many books have been written and they copy what the prev. one states plus add. He's gone back to the roots of all this (supposedly) and said it's not true. One of the gods that apparently had 12 disciples was hype and there were only a couple, stuff like this.

  This. E x actly. Same thing. They also even reference one another for sources, which is kind of circular.

  I don't think any of these religions or mythologies, whichever you see them as, actually, consciously copy one from another. I don't find that probable. What I find much more interesting is the way mythology has grown and evolved along similar themes, though with very different stories when one focuses on detail, even in remote corners of the world.

  What is the theme that you see, Chariklo?

  Peace,

  tammy
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  Chariklo

  What is the theme that you see, Chariklo?

  Well, tec, in this particular instance, when I opened the thread, it was the theme of a man who died or was sacrificed for a greater good, sometimes with the theme of saving mankind in some way. Odin hanged himself on Yggdrasil, the World Tree, for nine days, travelled to the underworld and learned magic; I think he was given the runes then. cf The Hanged Man in the Tarot.

  Osiris' death and resurrection was believed to have given eternal life at least to the Pharaohs and maybe to mankind...I'm not sure, I'll have to check. He was also associated with the seasonal dying and growing again of plants.

  There's a general theme of a young man, or son (as with Jesus and Osiris) going down to the underworld of r death (Jesus) and rising again, bringing salvation or esoteric knowledge. In the case of Krishna there is the doctrine of reincarnation.There are many similar mythologies, for instance from aboriginals in Australia and I have a feeling that some native American mythologies have comparable themes, at least in part.

  It just fascnates me, and has done for a long time. I repressed all such thoughts when I was with the Witnesses, for they are so rigid and unbending in their thinking that all individual thought, reasoning and imagination is stopped in its tracks. Now that I am free again...FREE!!!!...I'm becoming more and more myself every day!

  Expanding from the theme of resurrection, (which incidentally also extends to female goddesses or at least personages, eg Persephone in Greek mythology) there are other common themes across the world. Oh, of course, here we are at memorial time which to the rest of the world is Easter, and we have the link between death and rebirth and Eoster, vilified in the Bible Teach book because it is supposedly paganism, but really, what is paganism but another belief system? and once you shake off the WY shackles you can see elements of truth across it all.

  And it is that universal quest for truth which fascinates me the most. Not The Truth as in WT, a misnomer if ever there was one, but truth iself.

  This is one great topic, Chariklo. Good education. Haven't been exposed to mythology since freshman/highschool -- a summerschool crash course but wish I'd paid attn.

  Hey, thanks, LV101!

  I was lucky. We had an Arthur Mee's Children's Encycopedia in our house as I was growing up, all ten volumes, and it is choc-a-block full of world myths. We also had no television till I was getting on for 7, and even then there were hardly any children's programmes. So, many a rainy afternoon, I'd be there with my nose in one volume or another!
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  LV101

  Can't believe this topic isn't the #1 out of the gate here.

  Did these other dudes leave behind books for us to follow in life --- love thy neighbor, enemy, forgive --- stuff like that. This really helps but I rack my brain comparing Jesus' words to psychology in my head like stand up to evil, (and get your head blown off), give to those disadvantaged that work for you and around the house (so they can hate you more) --- ok i'll stop for there. We are of course to be cautious as a snake (NWT) and i've probably dropped the ball here. I have to say Jesus' words keep my blood pressure stabilized.

  LV101
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  mP

  chariko

  you have misunderstood the horus not osiris story. horus is the sun. the sun dies in winter, is born on xmas the winter solstice and grows in stength until summer. in autumn he begins to die bwcause days get colder as winter appropaches. easter and passover are celebrations of the day becoming longer than the night. they also celebrate the start of spring where plants, crops, baby animals all start the cycle of life. one must understand ancient man didnt understand how the seasons occurred and personified these natural forces as people.

  osiris is the father like jehovah he never dies. horus his son dies every year just like jesus. when he is resurrected on xmas in the case of the sun we are saved from the cold and death of winter. its not hard too see how the journey of the sun was changed to make it look like a mans life story.

  just read jesus own words, they are all perfect descriptions of the sun. all those mystical unreal phrases are nmothing more than stuff abnout the sun. yes jesus is the light of the world, the sun gives us daylight.

  the brother of osiris was set, who originally was the god of chaos. the night or dark is chaotic.the dark is also cold and death and the winter. the enemy of life is dark. its not by chnace that satan is very similar too set. xians will deny this but the root reveals the shared similarities.

  the word --amen-- is of course the name of the sun god amen or aton. adonai is another adoration of aton. we could go on, but im sure you can see these key words reveal much.
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  mP

  tec

  go read the story of samson and hercules or jason and the argonauts. guess what samson means in hebrew ?

  the twelve tasks of samson, jason, hercules are all the 12 months that the sun travels thru. i could go into an analysis of samson but there are jajor portions that are utter nonsense but are a perfect fit for solar mythology. samson even tells a riddle about the sun. nearly every important thing in the story only makes sense as solar sy,bolism. the hair of samson are the rays of the sun. a sun without hair or rays is a dead sun.