Osiris, Odin, Jesus

by Chariklo 63 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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    tec

    why do xians acknowledge or rember horus in so many days?

    - sun day or the lords day, horus was a sun god.

    - hours = horus

    - minutes = as in moon

    -monday day of the moon

    the same simlarities and root words are also present in many other lamguages. spanish goes further where the male form of the is --el-- and the female the --la-- is from luna or moon. how do you explain all this paganism in langiages that developed in xians lands ?

  • Chariklo
    Chariklo
    I left Chariklo a link that she can research for herself, to see the truth of those claims or not.

    Hi tec, yes, you did and thanks very much! I've been a while getting back to you because I was wandering off in research of all sorts! I also explored the thread on here about Horus.

    It is not really that I am looking for the truth or otherwise of any individual claims. It's much more that the parallels beween different mythologies is something I'm finding very interesting indeed, and of course that includes very, very much more than just Egyptian and Norse mythology, though those are two that do resonate well with me.

    I'm interested because I detect a worldwide ring (figurative ring!) of truth underlying these very diverse yet similar stories, from all manner of nations and cultures, all over the world. This in no way detracts from me the truth of Jesus Christ, by which I do not mean the Jesus of the WT with his invisible re-entry onto the scene, sitting down on a throne and taking up his sceptre, inspecting world religions in 1919. Not at all. That Jesus doesn't really figure in my thinking, and I'd have been disfellowshipped pretty quickly if I'd ever made it to baptism because I never really believed all of that...I just kept my thoughts to myself when surrounded by literal-minded JW's, which is 99.9999% of them here.

    I am sure that what I call this deep underlying truth explains the attraction of epic tales such as, in modern times, The Lord of The Rings, or films such as Star Wars with the concept of Jedi knights, Sith Lords, the Force and midichloreans. As well as all the well-known ancient mythologies of Greece, Rome and India etc.

    I was just wondering if others here muse along similar lines. I think it must be verey hard for those still in the WT. I could not bear my mind not to be free to think.

  • tec
    tec

    Horus, Osiris... zeitgeist and christ-mythers make the comparisons to them both, and both are false (and both are shown on that site, Chariklo, as well as almost every other supposed "god-man" out there). However, I have no need to debate it with you. Chariklo is free to 'muse as she wishes' and she may do the research herself, and come to her own conclusions.

    Now if you are suggesting that Christianity brought in some pagan images, or traditions, then I would agree with you. But that has nothing to do with whether or not Christ is based on Horus, Osiris, or any of these others. That claim is false.

    It should be a simple matter to understand that those who make these claims are at the least guilty of shoddy research. Christ was not born on Dec. 25th, and for that matter, most of the ones He is being compared to do not even have mention of a birth date, and yet those making the comparisons include this as one of the similarities. That should be a red flag for anyone thinking that those claims are honest, or that the researchers are honest and professional.

    So I have no zeal to lie, nor to be dishonest. Chariklo can look at these things for herself. So can anyone. Just as I did.

    Peace,

    tammy

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    well jk rowling has all but admitted jesus is the inspiration for harry potter. there are many parallels between the two figures.

  • tec
    tec

    You're welcome, Chariklo.

    I am sure that what I call this deep underlying truth explains the attraction of epic tales such as, in modern times, The Lord of The Rings, or films such as Star Wars with the concept of Jedi knights, Sith Lords, the Force and midichloreans. As well as all the well-known ancient mythologies of Greece, Rome and India etc.

    This is interesting too, thinking about the similar themes.

    Peace,

    tammy

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    tec

    how can you say when jesus was born when the truth is the bible doesnt actually say what month or year he was born. again you just assume without facts. matthew tells so many lies about the birth stiory its hard to know what to accept as fact and what are insertions to impress. most if not all matthews prophecies that jesus forfilled are pathetic.

    - mt claims jesus ffilled prophwcy by being called e,manuel, and yet this never happens anywhere in any writing.

    - mt claims jesus ffd prophecy by being born in bethlhem by quoting micah5:2 which actually says bethlehem the tribe. micah 5 also doesnt say messiah, but does say he will deefeat the assyrians, which jc nver does.

    its sad you so critically disregard one opinion but let something that has fraud and mistakes thru simply because it backs your pov.

  • tec
    tec

    how can you say when jesus was born when the truth is the bible doesnt actually say what month or year he was born.

    I didn't say when he was born. THEY say when he was born... "when the truth is the bible doesn't actually say what month or year he was born".

    So it is not me assuming without facts, but rather them.

    its sad you so critically disregard one opinion but let something that has fraud and mistakes thru simply because it backs your pov.

    Are you sure this is not what you are doing?

    I'm not actually commenting on the bible at all... I'm simply commenting on the topic in the OP. Even if I was completely wrong and biased about the NT... this would in no way change the fact that these claims of Christ-mythers are false.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • Chariklo
    Chariklo
    Now if you are suggesting that Christianity brought in some pagan images, or traditions, then I would agree with you. But that has nothing to do with whether or not Christ is based on Horus, Osiris, or any of these others. That claim is false.
    It should be a simple matter to understand that those who make these claims are at the least guilty of shoddy research. Christ was not born on Dec. 25th, and for that matter, most of the ones He is being compared to do not even have mention of a birth date, and yet those making the comparisons include this as one of the similarities. That should be a red flag for anyone thinking that those claims are honest, or that the researchers are honest and professional.

    I think that where people concentrate on detail, the differences will always be apparent. The broad themes are there, though, and this is what interests me. The common theme of a tree, for instance, eg Christ's stake or cross (whichever) and Odin and Yggdrasil.

    I am slso certain that any rfesearcher "making claims" makes him or herself suspect very quickly. True research has no axe to grind. True research focuses on fact, and tries to get as close to objective fact as possible, and to amass many facts from many sources comparing each with each. Only in that way can particular claims be validated or not, but in that way, too, broad themes can be spotted which are lost when one focuses on partoicullar detail.

    That is one of the biggest problems with the WT. Often I feel they lose sight of the wood because of focusing on the trees, leading to the suspect (though occasionally perversely valid) practice of picking a Bible Principle out of a short passage, say, in the Old Testament to apply to life in the 21st century. It just won't do, but I have digressed.

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    chariko

    all the gods you mention represent the sun. all the symbology in their stories relate to its journey throughout the day and year aswell as the events that occur like wine making season. most of the strange stuff is probably strange or appears wrong because you dont understand what is being said . many entities in these stories also refer to stars and constellations by name or creatire. without knowing this, the story seems stupid but if you do check the skies, then it all fits.

    eg in the catholic church jesus dies and sits on the virgin mary. this is a common statue. in solar mythology, the sun starts to die in autumn which happens in libra the virgin. the sun is actually dead in the winter solstice which is dec25. for three days it remains flat. at this time it also passes the southern cross. after not moving it begins to rise, just like jesus and the other saviour gods. in spring, the sun is once again stronger than the dark, night or death. xians, jews, etc all celenrate something to mark this occassion. this is why easter happens on this date. bunnies=spring time etc. because jesus is a man, parts of the story were adapted. however every year they celebrate the sun returning to give life to plants so we can grow food for winter. if we read the nt we can see many refs like jesus saying, im the light, coming in clouds and so on, just like the sun. forget jesus and simply think sun when you read these scriptures and all we have is man admiring the life and light that is the sun.

    the name jesus is actually from ihs which is also a name of the sun. jesus name in hebrew is not even close to jesus. how does one exaplain two characters with rhe same jewush name yehoshua becoming joshu#a and jesus? jesus as we read is paying tribute to the greek prime god zeus. just listen to a spanish person saying jesus or he soos, its not hard to see the striking similarities. you might also want too examine the jesuit symbol where they use a sat with rays with ihs in the center. ihs= ies which is also strikingly similar to our yes. its also probably not chance that our no is also close to the word night which represents bad, dark etc.

  • tec
    tec

    Only in that way can particular claims be validated or not, but in that way, too, broad themes can be spotted which are lost when one focuses on partoicullar detail.
    True. But sometimes broad themes are implied only because of the many details, and if those details are false to begin with, then the theme disintegrates as well.

    I will leave you to your research though, because being able to research for yourself is awesome :)

    I am slso certain that any rfesearcher "making claims" makes him or herself suspect very quickly. True research has no axe to grind. True research focuses on fact, and tries to get as close to objective fact as possible, and to amass many facts from many sources comparing each with each

    I completely agree with you here.

    Peace to you,

    tammy

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