I was DA'd after these 2 letters. What you think guys and gals?

by punkofnice 106 Replies latest members private

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Greetings, dear Inkie... and the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one (long time no "see"; where you been?). Thank you for that. I was beginning to think I was the only one who could "see" how "Inquisitional-ish" their letter was and indicated their process was. I realize that some in the "world" might not care ("Hey, it's your religion; you chose it!")... but those who are still "in" should be allowed to "see" it for what it REALLY is (besides hypocritical, yes): a violation of one's right to freedom of religion. One should be able to leave/join/change one's faith, belief, religion, etc., without penalty by others (which is what I understand the Amendment to mean), particularly those who (1) claim to fight FOR such freedom, and (2) enjoy a tax-exempt on that basis in our nation.

    Again, thank you... and peace to you!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA, wondering what it took to get the RCC to back off their papal "courts" and its inquisitions and judgments/persecutions of individuals who no longer agreed with THEM... and what it's going to take here...

  • watersprout
    watersprout
    Do you not have a god-given right to know from whom those “reports” came from? You know, at the mouth of two or three witnesses? Do you not have a god-given right to know whom your accusers are before any judicial procedure takes place?

    You would think so but NO! Afew years back my hubby was dragged in the back room to be told that ''two witnesses'' had seen him inappropriately kissing a woman old enough to be his mother at a jw party. When hubby asked who it was, they wouldn't tell him, said he didn't have a right to know. Yes my blood boiled that much I killed brain cells. The accusers are protected, the victims are not. Goes to show how demonic that cult is.

    It's all about control with them.

    Those letters were very probing... As I was reading them I could see that they were trying to get YOU to DA'd yourself... You have every right as a human being to make your own decisions, be it religious or not.

    Peace

  • Roberta804
    Roberta804

    Good Grief Punk!!!!!

    Clearly they want you to play court with them. Don't play court with them, no way no no. Check out the thread I started called "To put in your DA letter". (something like that). They are going to do what they are going to do in the near term, but protect yourself in the long term (check out that thread.) Don't play their game, make them follow the rules of being a human being.

    I really feel for you because your wife is still in it. My husband and I left together. If there is just one thing I could say to you it would be to continue to love your wife. When she starts the Witnees stuff on you leave the room. Don't raise you voice, or anything. What she need more than ever is space to think.

    Any kids????

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    my hubby was dragged in the back room to be told that two witnesses had seen him inappropriately

    kissing a woman old enough to be his mother at a jw party.

    The tendency might be to go, "Huh, what? Well, did he?" dear WS (the greatest of love and peace to you!) - LOLOLOL! But I know firsthand the utter lies and fabrications that be contrived... and resultant "fact-finding" meetings that can occur as a result. Happened to my daughter at age 16 (which was the end for her). They wouldn't even tell me what the meeting was ABOUT... for close to a week!... until we were actually IN it. In the meantime, my daughter was a nervous wreck (as was I)! My ex was out of town and I kept asking them to wait until he returned or at least tell me what it was about... and they absolutely refused; just kep saying it was "of the utmost importance and could mean life or death for [my] daughter"! OMG... what in the world. I kept questioning my daughter, trying to get a clue (I thought maybe she'd smacked one of the JW kids she routinely babysat, or something like that!).

    We get there and there are three other couples present (my girl and I had NO idea they were there for us!). We all just chatted away like nothing was up! When it came time for us to go in... THEY all went in first! I was like, "Whoa... what's THIS?" So, I quickly excused myself and went to speak with the CO (who lived in the little cottage adjacent to the KH). I told him that they'd called a meeting, not told me what it was about, and wouldn't wait for my husband to return. He asked, "Your husband's not a 'brother'?" I said, "Yes, he is." He then said, "He's DF'd, then?" I said, "No, he's not!" He said, "Well, then, he's not in good standing." I said, "He most certainly is!" He then said, "Well, the 'brothers' must have SOME reason for not having him attend. I can't get involved, but I will sit in since you've 'invited' me to."

    Imgaine everyone's face when I walk in with the CO! The "brother" who headed up the meeting goes, "Oh, ummm... we've been talking while we were waiting for Sister J and it seems that there's really no reason to meet after all. Apparently, Sister (Accuser) has made a mistake." The "brother" who CALLED the meeting, however, wasn't onboard with that, oh no. Nope, HE goes, "Well, I know Sister Accuser SAYS it was a mistake, but I want to hear it from Young Sister J for myself!" Hear what??!!

    I almost fell on the floor when we were told: apparently, Sister Accuser had told Sister Also Present (whose husband was on the Committee)... who told "Other Sister Also Present..."... who told her MS husband (also present)... who told his best buddy, elder "I Wanna Hear It For Myself" (who had serious issues with my ex, who'd threatened to kick his...)... that my daughter had been busted having relations with her son in her house!! OMG. No... O... M... G! Imagine being a mother of a 16-year-old girl... and (1) this was the accusation, and (2) you're just now hearing it... in front of 9 people, including the CO and your daughter!!

    Of course, it wasn't my daughter, at all. I've since learned that it wasn't ANYONE'S daughter, but we were told, "Sister Accuser accidentally mistook Young Sister J for someone else." Seriously?? Nevermind that Sister Accuser was related to Brother "I've Got a Problem With Your Husband and I Wanna Hear It From Your Daughter Myself"!

    My girl's response was PRICELESS, though: when Brother "I'm Running This Show" said, "Well, okay, young sister, if you can oblige Brother I Wanna Hear From You"... she looked them all over with the greatest disdain... and disgust... turned her around in her chair so that her back was to the elders but facing Sister Accuser... looked her dead in the eye and said "NOoo", in the most contemptible voice I have ever heard her use. Have never heard it since. She then turned slowly, rolled her eyes at EVERY one of them... closed them... crossed her arms... and sat there with her lips curled for the rest of the meeting. Never said another word. And I didn't stop... or correct her. They deserved exactly what they got from this particular young person!

    Of course, the CO was chagrined. He first gave everyone a "kind and loving" talking to about the "danger of gossiping"... which SHOULD have left them embarassed, but did for only two: Brother Running the Show and one of the Sisters Also Present. The rest were too prideful to BE embarassed. He then excused the rest of us... and after closing the door gave the elders and lone MS a severe talking to. You could hear the "disappointment" and chastisement in his voice through the door.

    Imagine... if I hadn't gone to get him... and/or he had declined to attend! My daughter would have been annihilated by these idjits! Needless to say, that was her last meeting... other than to attend the Memorial to support me.

    Sorry, dear ones: didn't mean to hijack, but dear WS' account compelled me to share how "bearing false witness" is NOT uncommon, at all... and how some are more fortunate than others in getting past them. I wanted to slap a couple/few "sisters" and "brothers" that day. Two of the "sisters" were supposedly my "friends." I felt like they should have come to me to begin with, EVEN if they felt they had to report something. One was totally chagrined and apologized, said she DIDN'T report it but just shared it with her husband (the MS). She was QUITE mad at him... and said she would have never come to the meeting if she had known what it was about. Apparently, no one told HER, either! To this day, the other "friend" has said nothing.

    My husband and I saw Sister Accuser at a restaurant in our town (over 100 miles from theirs) a couple/few years ago. They were having some kind of family celebration. I decided to sit where she couldn't miss me, couldn't get me out of her view. Although we were there for at least two hours... and they even longer... she never looked at me. Well, not directly - when I would look at her, she would quickly look away. Heifer...

    Anyway... peace... and thank you for allowing me to share that! Now, back to the regularly scheduled topic...

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • watersprout
    watersprout

    Shelby WHHHHAAAAAATTTTTT????? Oh my goodness! I soo would not have been able to control my bitch slapping Shel! I would have flipped!

    she looked them all over with the greatest disdain... and disgust... turned her around in her chair so that her back was to the elders but facing Sister Accuser... looked her dead in the eye and said "NOoo", in the most contemptible voice I have ever heard her use. Have never heard it since. She then turned slowly, rolled her eyes at EVERY one of them... closed them... crossed her arms... and sat there with her lips curled for the rest of the meeting.

    Your daughter and I would get along famously! She is my kinda woman! Not in that way I might add LOL!

    Hubby was soo upset that when he came out the back room he was shaking and had lost all the colour in his face. I knew it was lies, but he was soo upset to think that someone would accuse him of such a thing. The craziness was he (apparentely) was kissing this woman in the middle of the dancefloor! LMAO! We found out later it was hubby's friend at the time sister and mother! His friend actually thought he had been off with this woman and had blamed hubby for getting him in trouble over the party he had thrown! It's a good job i'm not jealous cause that could have damaged our marriage!

    Then (it gets better... Sorry for the de-rail Punk :)) two elders appeared at the front door saying they had another accusation about Carrot... Curious we let them in. I made myself comfortable on the setee and they asked me to leave! That's right, they told ME to LEAVE my OWN sitting room! I said ''I ain't moving''... They then looked at Carrot and asked HIM if HE wanted ME to stay! Carrot said ''Sprout is my wife, this is HER home and she isn't going anywhere''... If I hadn't been soo curious about the accusation they would have been told to f off.

    The accusation.... Carrot (at this same party) had in the middle of the dance floor dropped his trousers and flashed his bare bottom at everyone! Needless to say absolute hysteria ensued between Carrot and I. He hadn't by the way, it's something he would have done, but he hadn't had enough beer that night lol! Carrot told them unless they were willing to tell him who the accusers were, they were NEVER to approach him... A few months later one of his friends a younge butt licker elder phoned Carrot to say the elders wanted to meet with him over MORE accusations. Carrot asked who had said them and was told they couldn't give that info. Carrot quoted that scripture in Matthew and this elder said that didn't apply anymore WTF?? Carrot refused to meet unless they told him who his accusers were and as they wouldn't we never found out what he hadn't been up to lol!

    Peace

  • openmindnow
    openmindnow

    "Yes. Mrs Punk is still a JW and even more zealous since my departure. She used to miss meetings and not bother with stuff. Now it's all gone the other way. It has caused great upheaval and all the vitriol and unchristian behaviour and hatred has come from her believe it or not.

    I've been so calm but she's been raging against me and if the anythingthing unfortunate happens she blames me for causing it by leaving 'the truth'!

    She constantly drops little witnessy hints. If I object she explodes...literally goes mental. I have learned to totally ignore it. The WTB$ really has got her under close mind control. She blames it all on me for getting 'weird stuff' off the internet."

    I've run head on into this very same response from Mrs. Openmind. I used to be full of anger and pent up frustration about my being a JW and having to keep it silent, so I was always an asshole and very mean, wife was always reminding me to "put on the new personality". Now she is blowing her stack about 3 or 4 times a week, and I just sit there as calm as can be which really sends her into orbit.

    She ask's me why I'm doing this and what I believe, however as soon as I begin to explaine my reasons she shuts me down because she says "those are apostate ideas". So now when she is on a tear I just remind her that there's nothing I can say she wants to hear from me.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Oh, my lord, WS (peace!). Shaking head...

    Peace to dear Carrot, too!

    SA, on her own...

  • sd-7
    sd-7

    Well, Punk, you're made of tougher stuff. I got drawn into a judicial committee after my wife turned me in. I was a rookie in understanding the reasons why JWs were wrong and all, but it certainly helped me see they were just men. I repost the court sessions here, to show you WHAT FUN you missed out on!

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/189048/1/Borg-court-1st-session

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/189524/1/Borg-court-2nd-session

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/189607/1/Borg-court-3rd-session-verdict

    Just think! You, too, could have had elders NOT trying to convince you that this is the truth!

    Well, I don't know if I ever wrote (at least here on this site) about the fact that the chairman and another elder just visited me in September. Hmm. I ought to do a thread on that... But, I guess congratulations are in order. My wife subjected me to quite a lot of emotional abuse right after they expelled me, so I totally get your situation. I guess the difference may be I'm a bit younger, so there was a lot more temptation with such a gap between me and her emotionally and physically. Not that I was ever going to try anything extramarital, but you know, it's still a challenge.

    I have a feeling you'll be just fine. You've got a pretty good sense of humor, and that goes a long way to carry you through this type of situation.

    But there is a major legal problem with their letters. That statement, "We reserve the right to make the decision for you," is a huge contradiction of what they so often tell the public about JWs making "personal decisions". It's just not true. Few decisions that are in harmony with WT rules are actually "personal decisions".

    Hmm. I wonder if those elders will come back to visit me in March? They caught me off guard; maybe if they witness the firepower of this "fully armed and operational battle station"!, they might not come back again...

    --sd-7

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    Okay, time is running low so I skipped a lot of the posts.

    First off I must say, WTH!!! Can these people REALLY write letters to you asking you to explain your position on matters of your status in the cong? Do they really have that kind of authority in a free country where the rights of the individual are to be respected? This includes the right to worship in a way you find suitable. I know you are not an American but I figured your country has similar rights bestowed to individuals.

    Did you show them the July 2009 Awake article? I think this is a video link to that article (I don't know if it works as I am at work now).

    http://youtube.com/v/hPlhXI812yc&fmt=22 http://youtube.com/v/hPlhXI812yc&fmt=22 Mrs Punk is not behaving like a fine witness, not to mention a fine Christian. Any chances she has of 'winning you without a word' are dashed by her behavior. She needs to be made aware of that. I am sorry you are going through this. Strength to you my friend. Edited to add: What business is it of theirs anyway concerning what church you go to? Ding made an excellent point, how would a Jehovah's Witness respond if he or she learned that a Catholic was excommunicated for attending meetings at a Kingdom Hall?

  • Roberta804
    Roberta804

    "Yes. Mrs Punk is still a JW and even more zealous since my departure. She used to miss meetings and not bother with stuff. Now it's all gone the other way. It has caused great upheaval and all the vitriol and unchristian behaviour and hatred has come from her believe it or not.

    Oh I believe it....this is not an uncommon reaction when one spouse is out and other is still on the fence. Yes, she is on the fence, and I know because she is soooo angry with you. As strong as her anger is toward you, is the strength of her own wishes to leave as you did. Keep being the clam person you are being, do not give any attention, positive of negitive when she goes off on JW crap. Give her space without haveing to deal with your anger too.

    Also, bring home some flowers every week even if you pick them yourself. Tell her how beauitful she looks, or smells, or appreciate something she did. Also if you have let yourself go on the physical side, get back in shape, color your gray hair, so anything for just yourself, go for a walk everyday. Something, and make sure she knows your doing something just for yourself. I'm a woman, and I know what strong messages those kinds of signals mean. And if I had kicked my husband out of our bed, what would just fire me up would be seeing him watching TV in sexy underware and not have any interest in sex with me. In short, make yourself disiralable because you are in a way in the middle of a battle for the love of your wife. This is their divide and conqure techinque.

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