2011 Global Survey of Jehovah's Witnesses

by cedars 79 Replies latest jw friends

  • cedars

    sizemik - I agree that anonymity is a two way thing. If I had my way I would use a survey service that didn't gather IP addresses at all. I didn't ask for it to gather IP addresses - it's just a residual part of the service. I certainly don't intend to disclose them to anybody, or use them for nefarious means. In many ways, it's a shame that the Society engenders such paranoia in all active/inactive forum members, including me. Cantleave will testify as to how paranoid I am about confidentiality when corresponding. What I can't get my head around is the habit of certain forum members (and even moderators!) to jump to the worst possible conclusions about people, without consulting fully and looking at all of the available facts. I certainly can't understand the name-calling and ridicule I've been subjected to on this very thread. Some of it I last experienced in the school playground.

    A very mature lady who is well known to this forum said some nice things to me very recently. She said she was glad I had joined the forum because I brought "intelligence" to it, a quality that was lacking. Until now I didn't really understand what she meant, but whilst I don't consider myself the most intelligent of people, I now understand where she's coming from. I can personally name Blondie, Sizemik, cantleave, jwfacts, leavingwt as being genuinely mature and intelligent posters. I'm sure there are others I'm not so familiar with or can't call to mind, but there is also a strong element of cynical, vindictive, sensationalist and down-right nasty posters who I frankly have no time for whatsoever.

    Any serious undertaking such as this survey will fall at the first hurdle so long as there are people like that around who can throw spanners in the works.

    cantleave - believe me, I WILL be putting this down to "experience", that's why I've had it with this forum. I might poke my head around the door periodically to see what's going on (a tactic that I've noticed posters like jwfacts employs) but I really don't have time for the relentless abuse if I come up with a genuinely good idea, particularly one that requires money. It's really sad. I will of course stay in contact with you personally via email etc, it's just that I have enough problems in life without actively pursuing them on here.

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed, citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” Margaret Mead

    Greetings, cedars:

    I've posted the above quotation before, but today seems, once again, an appropriate time.

    New doors will open to you, to me, to others. A tiny mouse entering a room full of people can easily and quickly empty that room. There will be no argument that its darts and scurries were effective.

    Please stick around ...

    Blessings and peace,

    CoCo le Survivant

  • dissed

    Greetings Cedars.....

    I've been away for some time, but a recent bout with insomnia brought me back last night. I'm sorry to see your spirit dampened by some remarks on your brilliant idea. It happens to be the 'nature of the beast' of JWN. For all the good that happens here, there is always a few comments that sway negatively.

    You do bring up a point that many of us have thought about. Can we be more organised, with better purpose, to one, help those curious and leaving to land more softly. And two, do our best to keep people from EVER getting involved with the WTS in the first place. These are areas where I feel we can have our best success. Waking people up is very challenging with the WTS's instilling so much fear of apostate reasoning. But we still try....

    I hope we can stay in touch somehow, if you do leave this site. Would you be so kind to keep us informed.


  • cedars

    Hi CoCo and dissed, thanks for your kind words. You're right, it is the 'nature of the beast'. It's a shame there aren't more "thoughtful, committed citizens" around. In no way do I expect everyone to agree with my ideas. Even I end up disagreeing with them sometimes on reflection. What I can't stand is nastiness, putdowns and wild accusations.

    I'll probably find a blog somewhere, maybe on jwstruggle (if they'll have me), and just visit from time to time. I certainly don't intend to visit with anywhere near the frequency I was doing. It just isn't worth it.

  • Franklin Massey
    Franklin Massey

    Cedars, I admire what you are trying to do. That being said, don't be so sensitive. When things are going your way on this forum, you're fine. When someone challenges you, or, says something that is just plain ignorant, you get so incredibly defensive and the thread then turns into you trying to justify your position at any cost. I think you have some decent ideas and the motivation needed to see your plans through. But your quickness in getting your feathers ruffled, coupled with your insistance on making sure everyone knows that someone complimented you on bringing intelligence to the board and that you have such good ideas, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

    If your ideas are that good, people will respond without you reminding them how good your ideas are. Don't boast about your strengths in an attempt to defend yourself. It makes your strengths appear weaker. Just do what you believe in and ignore any distractions that get in your way.

  • cedars

    I'm not boasting in any way whatsoever. I'm sorry if it came across that way. I'm just illustrating that I'm not the only one that thinks there is a lack of intelligence on this forum. I even said that I don't consider myself intelligent in the previous post.

    As I said - I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I'm always open to alternative ideas. I just can't stand name-calling and sly remarks, I just can't handle any of that. Sorry I'm not more thick skinned, that is another of my downfalls.

  • clarity

    This is just awful ....

    The heaviness of your heart comes thru plain & clear Cedars ... so sorry.

    Makes you wonder if any action connected to the wbts could be painless!

    Such an insideout organization .... you lose when you come in & if you try to leave you lose once again. Just for once I'd like to receive good ... & when I leave feel that I have been ENRICHED by it, not gutted!

    Do what you need to do Cedars, but know that many on here were/are pulling for you. Your ideas are refreshing .


  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Hi again, cedars:

    What Franklin has written could very well have applied to me at an earlier time. His advice to carry on despite extraneous distractions is where I am now.

    While the Scripture is not applicable, perhaps, in all respects to the situation you've encountered, yet I recall it frequently when I'm faced with peoples' acting in a manner that is less than civil.

    "When he was being reviled, he did not go reviling in return. When he was suffering, he did not go threatening, but kept on committing himself to the one who judges righteously." - 1 Peter 2:23

    I hope that you are reassured of our love and concern. You do have a great deal to offer; who knows how you will be used in future?

    CoCo Persists

  • Franklin Massey
    Franklin Massey

    What Franklin has written could very well have applied to me at an earlier time.

    Me too. I speak from experience.

    Cedars, this board is one of the premier places on the web for those questioning, doubting, coping with, healing from and exiting the Watchtower Organization. Despite your frustration, I think there really is a place for you here.

    Big ideas take time. Big projects take time. Temper that zeal and passion with a little bit of patience and forgiveness and you'll make waves. I wish you the best.

  • cedars

    Thanks Franklin, I'll keep that advice in mind.

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