So standfirm is that the best reply you could muster after some excellent posts by the likes of Terry and others?
You pick one or two which presumably you've chosen because they fall into your preferred field of vision, and suit your argument.
Marvin is essentially asking were those 19th cen. Christians :
3.How did that express itself?
Whether they were organised or not one thing is certain they were not part of the Watchtower Society since it didn't exist.
You respond to these questions with some jw dogma about the"great apostasy". Which is really the wtbs's only way of explaining why , if they are god's organisation they only appeared on the world scene in the late 1800's.
It is truly arrogant to suggest that while these people were Christians the were disadvantaged by the fact they lived before God's organisation on earth had been formed in the shape of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Moreover what marvin raised was anything but a red herring as you call it. Instead you are the one who implies that there was 1st century "spiritual prosperity" when time after time people have posted evidence of the exact opposite being the case, lack of organisation, disunity, people going it alone etc etc. And yet you chose to ignore all of that.
It's also been extensively pointed out that there probably were many ideas and many separate groups all following Christ but not a single christian set of "doctrines" which everyone in the 1st cent unanimously agreed on.
Really the purpose of this thread is to validate a JW teaching that God had an organistion in the 1st century.
Because the Witnesses , like you, are not interested in establishing the facts of history if they happen to contravene one or more of your doctrines.
They have ably demonstrated a complete contempt for the non-biased expert opinion of people whose job it is to establish things such the date and manner of particular events.
Death of jesus on a cross.
I could go on. But the real question should be if you standfirm believe that god has an organisation and it's the witnesses, when did he pick your religion?
I'm presuming the reasoning will be there was a 1st cen version so then it would follow he has one today and that would be Jehovah's Witnesses?
I look forward to a response and some proof that your religion has been chosen to represent God's interests on earth.