Present some evidence for evolution...

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  • Spade
    Spade

    There's no evidence that can't be overturned and exposed as deception in the scientific community. Jehovah's Witnesses don't stonewall any new findings. Popular evidence for evolution in a complex species (maybe someone can present something else). Background on Ring Species: Salamanders:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html

    Ring Species: Salamanders:



    Some critics of the theory of evolution argue that it doesn't convincingly explain the origin of new species. They say that members of one species couldn't become so different from other individuals through natural variation that they would become two separate non-interbreeding species.

    One of the most powerful counters to that argument is the rare but fascinating phenomenon known as "ring species." This occurs when a single species becomes geographically distributed in a circular pattern over a large area. Immediately adjacent or neighboring populations of the species vary slightly but can interbreed. But at the extremes of the distribution -- the opposite ends of the pattern that link to form a circle -- natural variation has produced so much difference between the populations that they function as though they were two separate, non-interbreeding species.

    A well-studied example of a ring species is the salamander Ensatina escholtzii of the Pacific Coast region of the United States. In Southern California, naturalists have found what look like two distinct species scrabbling across the ground. One is marked with strong, dark blotches in a cryptic pattern that camouflages it well. The other is more uniform and brighter, with bright yellow eyes, apparently in mimicry of the deadly poisonous western newt. These two populations coexist in some areas but do not interbreed -- and evidently cannot do so.

    By the time the salamanders reached the southernmost part of California, the separation had caused the two groups to evolve enough differences that they had become reproductively isolated. In some areas the two populations coexist, closing the "ring," but do not interbreed. They are as distinct as though they were two separate species. Yet the entire complex of populations belongs to a single taxonomic species, Ensatina escholtzii.



    Are ring species excellent evidence for evolution? No. They're not evidence for evolution in the slightest capacity. Vertebrates have degree regarding complexity. Viruses are wildly mutational, however, that is not true of more complex species. The more complex the species, the more static the genome. Things we learn, about the genetic variability of viruses aren't valid for more complex species.

    Ring species are best explained by intelligent design using a DNA substitution model.

    DNA replication, for biological inheritance, is a process occurring in all living organisms to copy their DNA. This process is "replication" in that each strand of the original double-stranded DNA molecule serves as a template for the reproduction of the complementary strand. Hence, following DNA replication, two identical DNA molecules have been produced from a single double-stranded DNA molecule. Cellular proofreading and error toe-checking mechanisms ensure near perfect fidelity for DNA replication. If DNA replication gets out sync at the reproduction level, it can prevent two species from reproducing.

    In phylogenetics, matching DNA sequences is often accomplished by firstly obtaining a nucleotide or protein sequence alignment, and then taking the bases or amino acids at corresponding positions in the alignment as the characters. A, T, C, and G represent a particular nucleotide at a position. Sequences achieved by this might look like AGCGGAGCTTA and GCCGTAGACGC.

    Assuming AGCGGAGCTTA is a DNA code necessary for reproduction (the complete substitution model would be much longer). If environmental adaptation has impacted the species at the DNA level and the DNA sequence AGCGGAGCTTA has mutated to ATCGGAACTTA, making the Ensatina escholtzii incapable of interbreeding with its common ancestor at the other end of the ring (genetically unidentical), the mutation for all practical purposes was destructive as macroevolution never progresses beyond this point. It would evidently take an intelligent designer to complete the process.

    Basically, we are still looking for an adequate demonstration of evolution in terms of being able to produce some sort of novel complex phenotype structure with function based on changes at the cellular level (genetic or epigenetic) from simpler lifeforms. Any test would have to show that the genetic structure wasn't the result of a minor genetic mutation. There are several challenges of degree regarding complexity.

    We have degree regarding adaptation. Creationists expect species to adapt to their environments just as evolutionists do. Are there limits to the degree of adaptation? Is the salamander going to develop new structures based on complex cellular changes so that we will no longer recognize it as a salamander (showing progressive complexity)? Or is this example of a ring species the limit of adaptation and genetic drift? If you answer the questions you will have no empirical evidence.

    The theory of common ancestry has to show a mechanism to derive complexity from simpler organisms. Vertebrates are extraordinarily complex at all levels of organization. How did they achieve this? What are the cellular mechanisms?

    A whole sequence of mutations would have to be identified and determined along these lines. You can apply any and all scientific methods to this salamander outside its natural habitat and it will still remain a salamander. Species are static and they stay that way.
  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Proof of Evolution..

    AliceInWonderLand.. Evovled into.. Consfearacy.. Evovled into Spade..

    A few More Steps in the Evolutionary Chain and Alice will become Human..

    ........................ ...OUTLAW

  • unshackled
    unshackled

    Can't take this thread seriously. So how about this hilarious video of a guy falling off a ladder on the Shopping Network...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x52Vfec1y1E&NR=1

  • Lozhasleft
    Lozhasleft

    Lol @ Outlaw. You are naughty Outlaw.

    Loz x

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    OMG!!!!!! Outlaw

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW
    Can't take this thread seriously. So how about this hilarious video of a guy falling off a ladder on the Shopping Network.....UnShackled

    AliceInWonderland fell off the Evolutionary Ladder?..

    That would Explain alot..

    AliceInWonderLand.. Evovled into.. Spade..

    ........................ ...OUTLAW

  • Spade
    Spade

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  • GLTirebiter
    GLTirebiter

    MRSA is a good example of natural selection, aka evolution, occurring in a simple organism and happening rapidly enough for us to observe it. From cdc.gov, with emphasis added:

    Antibiotic resistance occurs when bacteria change in some way that reduces or eliminates the effectiveness of drugs, chemicals, or other agents designed to cure or prevent infections. The bacteria survive and continue to multiply causing more harm. Bacteria can do this through several mechanisms. Some bacteria develop the ability to neutralize the antibiotic before it can do harm, others can rapidly pump the antibiotic out, and still others can change the antibiotic attack site so it cannot affect the function of the bacteria.

    Antibiotics kill or inhibit the growth of susceptible bacteria. Sometimes one of the bacteria survives because it has the ability to neutralize or escape the effect of the antibiotic; that one bacterium can then multiply and replace all the bacteria that were killed off. Exposure to antibiotics therefore provides selective pressure, which makes the surviving bacteria more likely to be resistant. In addition, bacteria that were at one time susceptible to an antibiotic can acquire resistance through mutation of their genetic material or by acquiring pieces of DNA that code for the resistance properties from other bacteria. The DNA that codes for resistance can be grouped in a single easily transferable package. This means that bacteria can become resistant to many antimicrobial agents because of the transfer of one piece of DNA.

    The Food and Drug Administration's (FDA's) Center for Veterinary Medicine (CVM) produced a nine-minute animationExternal Web Site Icon explaining how antimicrobial resistance both emerges and proliferates among bacteria. Over time, the use of antimicrobial drugs will result in the development of resistant strains of bacteria, complicating clinicians' efforts to select the appropriate antimicrobial for treatment.

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    " WTF does someone's screen name have to with the price of tea in China??? "

    Nothin' , usually a screen name represents something of the poster not tea in china

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    Jehovah's Witnesses don't stonewall any new findings.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

    Seriously? How about new findings on 587 vs. 607 BCE? How about any information on the age of things on the earth and carbon dating?

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