DESIGNS- Exactly. I agree. My JW ex-wife was one of those demented Witnesses who used to say out in service " that house will be mine after Armageddon ! " It disgusted me. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
The demons are sex perverts according to the March 15th WT
Knorr actually did! The guy had huevos or was just plain nuts. It was in the late 60s and some pioneer in California had written Knorr about marijuana and why if God made it was it so bad. Knorr actually read the letter out loud to the audience, he was so livid at the end he was shacking. Then he starts in on masturbation (Knorr's favorite subject) oh gawd he went on and on.
There was a whole group of us young Witnesses sitting together, my brothers girlfriend had this strange look on her face during the rant and then she leans over to my brother and asks 'what is he talking about, what is masterbation', my brother whispers in her ear and all of a sudden she screams 'WHAT!'. She'd never heard the term, everybody for 3 rows around was in hysterics.
Oh the memories
I kid you guys not. My father counselled me about moving out as a young adult. He told me that it would be very dangerous "because the demons like to have sex with pretty young women who live alone."
Edited: You know I kinda thought there was some merit to the counsel because I was spoon-fed regular doses of this perverted crap since birth.
LITS - I totally understand the "Why didn't I see it sooner" feelings.
I agree with you guys on how horrible some of the stuff we were taught was. I never knew that about Knorr at the convention though. That sort of blows me away. How could adult with a brain sit there and think that it was God's true religion. I had heard rummer's of that but I just could not believe it I thought it was apostates trying to run us down.
cult classic OMG I cannot believe your dad as an adult would say that to you a young girl. But you are right about being spoon-fed the stuff and it just seems normal. You do not question it because you are told not to. I look back on the stuff I believed and fought about with other and shake my head at how totally stupid I was.
Last week I went out of my mind is a way and invited two older couples for lunch from the hall. One couple was newly converted and the other couple we have known for ever. I was sort of surprised they even came as I have not been to the meetings in almost a year. I did it for many reasons one to show them I am not evil.
But anywho I get the magazine Red Book and I had it on the coffee table, all of a sudden before they get there my husband freaks out because the magazine had a article on sex in it and it was on the cover. He was like we have to hide this because they might be offended. I was cooking and I was like whatever not truly thinking of what he was saying. Then it hit me the next day. I was so pissed, both of these couples have three kids each I think they know what sex is and how the kids got here.
My husband is so brain washed I just want to scream. I guess Satan is writing Red Book now and the Demons love it.
Also Flipper everyone where I live did that too. Everyone picked their homes out in service that they would get, some would pick two or three especially if the householder was rude to them then for sure they would get the house. I was just a kid, I thought it was normal. Now looking back how totally sick. What a way to teach your children love.
This thread deserves this essay, it's from Runningman's book, do a member search and you can access it on the last thread he started. Thanks Fred!
The Story of the Flood
After the creation of the human race, things went along on their merry way for a long time. If you follow the list of who begat whom, and how long each of them lived, you come to the conclusion that Adam was created around 4000 BC.
But, after about a millennium and a half, trouble started to brew. Some angels became inflamed with lust for human women and took on human form. They mated with humans, forming a race of huge bullies. Things got so bad that God decided that he would wipe out all life from the earth and start over again.
It turns out that in all the earth, there was only one good man. So, God told this man, Noah, to build a huge boat that would house samples of every form of non-water based life.
Then, after working for 100 years, God loaded Noah, his family, and all the animals onto the ark, and then it started to rain. By this time, it was around the year 2400 BC. It rained for 40 days and nights, during which time, enough water fell to cover even the highest mountains.
When the earth was wiped clean, the waters receded, and Noah let his family and the animals out of the ark to begin repopulating the planet.
As I mentioned earlier, this is a story that appeals to persons on a childish level. Unfortunately, there are persons who believe that it is literally true in its every detail. This belief forces these persons into a very distasteful position, as we will now see.
The remainder of this essay is intended for a mature audience, so Christians may want to skip to the next one.
The initial act that started the chain of events, is described by the following bible verses:
“Now it came about that when men started to grow in numbers on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, the sons of the true God began to notice the daughters of men, that they were good looking; and they went taking wives for themselves, namely all whom they chose.” - Genesis 6:1,2 (NWT)
Within the next three verses, things deteriorated so much that the only reasonable act for a loving God would be to murder all life. It seems a little odd to me that the angels who started all of this escaped back to heaven, but the humans, who were only secondary to the story, and the animals, who didn’t know what the hell was going on, were executed.
The key point here, is that the event that kicked off the flood was the desire of angels to mate with humans.
In other words, the angels got horny. Now, this has some interesting implications. From this story, and a few other Bible references, we can piece together an interesting picture of the nature of heaven.
The sex drive in humans and animals is caused by chemicals that are produced in the body. In fact, a person’s sex drive can be eliminated or changed through surgery and hormone therapy. The point of the matter is that, without these chemicals, there is no sex drive.
At this point, we must pause a moment to consider the nature of angels. According to the Bible, angels are direct creations of God. They do not reproduce. As well, they do not have the inherited original sin of Adam and Eve to taint them. They are perfect. This does not mean that they are incapable of sin. It merely means that they are incapable of accidental sin. If an angel sins, it is because he meant it. It also means that if an angel feels sexual desire, it must have been placed there by his creator.
In order for an angel to become inflamed with lust for a human woman, it would be necessary for the angel to have a sex drive of some sort. If they were completely neuter in every way, they would find human women about as attractive as we find rocks. For this story to function, God must have created angels with sex drives.
Conclusion # 1: Angels are created with a sex drive.
Now that we have established this unusual fact, let’s continue. Notice that the Bible says that the angels found human women attractive, and they took on the bodies of men. Also, notice that it does not say that any of them found human men attractive, and none of them took on the bodies of women. This leads us inescapably to our next conclusion.
Conclusion # 2: All angels are men.
Some of you may be tempted to jump ahead of me, but let’s go slow, and develop this carefully. Our next area of inquiry is regarding the possibility of angelic reproduction.
Jesus gives us some insight into the nature of angelic interrelationships:
“For in the resurrection, neither do men marry, nor are women given in marriage, but are as the angels in heaven.” - Matthew 22:30 (NWT)
In addition to this direct statement, we note that there is no reference anywhere in the Bible to female angels, angelic marriage, or angelic reproduction of any sort. This leads us to our next conclusion:
Conclusion # 3: Angels have no natural outlet for their sexual urges.
Finally, I must add some information regarding the quantities of angels.
The book of Daniel makes reference to “ten thousand times ten thousand” standing before God. A quick multiplication shows that there are one hundred million angels present in this scene, and there may be others as well.
Also, angels have been in existence for a long time. The Bible says that God rested after creating Adam and Eve, so any angels that exist must have been created before them; therefore, angels are ancient.
Conclusion # 4: There are lots and lots of angels and they have a lot of time on their hands
Now, for the slower ones among us, who have not yet figured out what I am getting at, let’s put all four conclusions together, and finish this off:
Angels are created with a sex drive
All angels are men
Angels have no natural outlet for their sexual urges
There are lots and lots of angels, with lots and lots of time
With this logic in mind, we can deduce that heaven must be like a huge prison shower room. I suppose that there are some people who have always had this concept of heaven, or at least hoped for it, but you will have to admit that this is not the mainstream viewpoint. If it were, the Cistine Chapel would be restricted to adults only.
I think it’s safe to say that this exercise illustrates just how ridiculous is the story of the flood. These conclusions, although absurd, are the natural outgrowth of the story, itself. In order for the events of the flood to get off the ground, this must be true.
So, choose for yourself: either heaven is a massive San Francisco bath house, or the story of the flood is just another yarn.
More discussion please. I don't want to be a thread killer.
I bet the demons watch Porn all day long, dirty perverts....they are just like humans!
If demons are writing the articles in Red Book who puts the naked natives pictures in National Geographic..... Beelzebub
The whole spicy Bible story of Demons with Sex Drive and the resulting hybrid humans as recounted above did not escape my radar even as a child growing up in the org.
Later, I often puzzled over the story. It seemed at odds with statements by the almighty FDS teachings on the subject of spirit creatures, especially the state of existence of the resurrected 144,000. How could their pure, invisible, spirit state jibe with the story of sex and flesh driven spirit creatures ? It all had an accumulative effect, along with so many other things, that it finally eroded my belief in the credibilty of the WTB&TS.
Am I mistaken, or wasn't the giant that David slew with a slingshot referred to as a throwback to the Nephelim hybrids that were supposedly eradicated by the flood?
I long ago rejected it ALL as a crock of baloney, but it is an interesting example of how the rank and file JWs can ignore the elephant in the living room questions that might be awkward.