Aguest: Heres what God should do:
Please, DO tell, dear Bohm (again, peace to you, as well!)!
Place death on mars. Give him crayons and paper.
Actually, that’s unnecessary… and unlikely… because Death is already bound, so banishing him to Mars isn’t necessary. He is also a spirit and so nothing in the physical world can bind him… except water. But there’s no water on Mars; at least, not enough to bind him (vapor and ice can’t do much). Besides, simply sending him there would do… what? Keep him from the earth? Spirits are not bound by such things as physical space, dear one. Third, although bound in the spirit world he has “agents” that have influence in this one (like a shot-caller doing time on death row might).
Tell Death that he should not mess with his creation.
Well, that’s why he became bound, luv. He was FREE in the spirit realm (because spirit beings are free, vs. bound like we are). Then, through Adham, Death came into the physical realm (which was NOT supposed to happen!)… and from Adham to Moses ruled as king over man (in addition to HIS kingdom, the pit). As a son, Adham could have been that king (or at least an important heir) but, again, he sold his birthright TO Death. Death was bound, however… and through the Law… by means of which Israel agreed to be bound to HIM… the Most Holy One of Israel took the kingship back as to Israel (and those went with). Death was, and is still is king over everyone else, however.
The Most Holy One of Israel then appointed a NEW king over Israel… which king Israel rejected. Which king was impaled to satisfy Death’s requirement. As a result of that impalement and death, however, Israel… and all those who go WITH… have been set free from the “deal” Adham made with Death. IF… they acknowledge and put faith IN that king. Otherwise, Death is still their king.
that God did not manage to do that show he has either little foresight or regard for his creation.
OR… that He is wiser than any of us could ever be. Seeing as we only know a part of what occurred, because only a part is written… I would say that the proverb that says it’s foolish to respond to a matter without knowing all the details is… worthy of attention.
Same for the serpent.
His time will come.
same for the sin backdoor. talk about intelligent design...
That "backdoor" had a choice: open... or stay closed. He CHOSE to open. Perhaps he will be shown mercy. We’ll have to wait and see.
And your assuming Adam and Eve are both frekkin' morons who believe the omnipotent God is the wrong guy to side with.
Well, yeah, Eve was a bit of a moron, if that’s the right term, in that she was deceived. She was tricked into thinking that she would not die. Adham was the great moron, however, because he KNEW he would die... and chose to do it anyway. He did it because he knew that he could buy authority over Death. He did not anticipate, however, that it would be for a hot second.
Again, we should properly remind ourselves that the problem only exist because God is a poor designer, secondly because he designed two beings who are to stupid to make the most obvious choice ever.
Perhaps. Perhaps they made their decisions because there was no example prior to them. In that light, I must ask… what is the excuse for YOUR choice? I mean, since Adham/Eve’s was based on stupidity? Were you made stupid, as well? And I mean no offense, truly. Rather, I mean for you to think about what you've stated, yourself, and why you’re making the EXACT SAME CHOICE: to rebel against God. I would reason that it’s because you can… because you HAVE a choice and as a free-will agent have made it. With no influence, really, from anyone at all. Or am I wrong? If I am right, then at least Adham and Eve had some excuse – poor influence by another.
No offence, but if you base this on personal revelation, i think its best we dont continue this discussion since i can only talk about the god of the bible.
Well, that is entirely your choice, of course, dear one. But everything I’ve shared is written, including in the Bible (you and others don't "see" it, however, because you're leaning upon your own understanding... rather than allowing the Holy Spirit to "open up" the scriptures... and what some others wrote as to them... to you. Which is also you choice).
Now, I am not necessarily speaking of the “god of the Bible” per se, because the false styluses of the secretaries/scribes have rendered Him quite incorrectly in a number of instances. But I am speaking of the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, which is the One that the Bible is supposed to contain the truth about. Since it doesn’t, entirely, He sent His Son, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, to tell the truth about Him. So, I just listen to that One (which both God… and the Bible… says we should do).
really. Where does it say there are other spirit beings
The scriptures, including those included in the Bible and those that aren’t.
God must do what they tell him to?
I don’t know that He must do what they “tell” Him to. He does do what His Son asks Him to do. And He certainly does what He AGREES to do. He told Adham that if he ate… he would die. In order for Adham TO die… which is what Adham wanted (i.e., to “know” bad)… he (Adham) had to belong TO Death. So, Adham sold himself… his wife… and his progeny to Death. That one became his "father." But, t he Most Holy One of Israel couldn’t just step in and say, “Oh, no, I’m nullifying this agreement.” Perhaps I can explain to you why that is, using more modern terms, those found in [the laws/rules/processes of] contracting:
It would be like you, a grown man... wanting to buy something extremely expensive... selling your interest (as heir) in that portion of the freehold estate you inherited from your father. Which estate has been in your family for centuries. Then having your father, the original grantor, saying to the Buyer, “Oh, no, Bohm, isn’t giving you a thing! I intended something else for that land; it’s supposed to go to his heirs. You’re wicked and evil and it’s not right that you took it from him!"
Of course, the Buyer will deny that he TOOK anything. So, your dad says, "Well, okay, it's not right that you let him sell it to you!" To which the Buyer will respond, "I didn't LET him do anything. He WANTED to - he CHOSE to sell it to me!" Even still, your dad says, "No, the whole deal was wrong, so give the deed he gave you back!”
Well, I have to tell you, dear one... that won’t fly, not at all. Why? Because t he Buyer will tell your dad:
First, that the estate is a "fee simple" (meaning, it is totally free and able to be conveyed, leased, encumbered, whatever) and although dad wanted it to go to the grandkids… you were totally free to convey (sell/give) it to whomever you wanted and chose. Because it was not a "fee entail" (which would have prevented you; a fee entail has restrictions so that the estate never leaves the family hold - but since your father trusted you… why wouldn’t he?… he didn’t have the deed drawn up as a fee entail).
Second, the only way he (the Buyer) would even THINK of giving it back is for someone to refund him for the amount he paid to get it in the first place. And now… the price has just gone up. In fact, it's now double!
Now, perhaps your dad is, say, a judge. Given that, you might think he could just step up and say, “Well, I’ve decided to void/nullify the agreement.” However, the Buyer would most like laugh in his face. Why? Because… it was a valid contract: you were of age, competent, and the land was yours to convey – it was not restricted - at the time. And so, for your dad to just nullify the agreement… would be an injustice, on at least two accounts: (1) he is your father, and so there is a conflict of interest right off the bat, and (2) since the contract was valid, on what grounds is he so nullifying (note, there is the issue of unconscionability, but it doesn't apply here – true, the Buyer just might be unscrupulous, but that doesn’t negate a contract. There has to be something in the CONTRACT that is unconscionable… or in the contracting. Eve was deceived, so your dad could say it was “fraud in the inducement” as to her. That would void her "contract". But YOU weren’t deceived. YOU chose to contract. Meaning, it was YOU who made the OFFER… which the Buyer ACCEPTED… and not the other way around, as with Eve.
So, how does your dad get the family estate back? Unfortunately, h e doesn’t have the “funds” to “cover” the "asking price" just then… nor do you. So, what happens? The estate goes to the Buyer… until you or your dad can meet his (the Buyer’s) “price”… to buy it back.
That is exactly what occurred here: Adham sold his lifeforce… the “estate” which he received directly from God… which did not have sin or death in it... which lifeforce his children WOULD have inherited (and so, their future lifeforces, as well)… to Death. In exchange for something very “expensive” – authority over Death.
The Most Holy One of Israel, however, bought back what Adham SOLD… by paying “price” exacted by Death: the life of His Son, Christ. That One’s life… which was now worth DOUBLE Adham's (because there was no sin or death in it, unlike the "tainted goods" that Adham now was)... REPURCHASED the inheritance... the lifeforce from God... which lifeforce Death has NO hold on... that Adham sold.
The difference, however, is that the Buyer in this case, Death, didn’t get to KEEP that “purchase money”, the liferforce of Christ. Why? Because after my Lord went to Sheol/Hades… and “released” the spirits that Death held there (i.e., those who put faith in him after he preached to them, there)… HE CAME BACK. Death was unable to hold HIM there. Why? Because, unlike Adham... my Lord kept HIS lifeforce PERFECT... and so WITHOUT sin and death in it. And so, Death was not able to hold HIS lifeforce. The perfect lifeforce belongs to God; the imperfect lifeforce belongs to Death... except to the extent it has been redeemed FROM Death.
And so, Death, through his agent, the one called Satan and Devil… went on the rampage. He is trying to make up for the spirits (lifeforces) he lost… through the releasing/redemption done by Christ. That is why my Lord said, “The ruler of the world is coming”… and why he (Satan) is “waging war with the remaining ones of the seed [of the woman": he has to make up for the spirits Death has LOST… which he now owes to Death, the one HE sold out to and gave him HIS “authority.”
Someone has to "pay" Death. Death not only lost the "purchase price" that was Christ, but also the lifeforces of those who Christ BOUGHT back from him. Satan's job... is to fill the void caused by those lost lifeforces. If he can do it with the lifeforces of any who belong to Christ, that is some compensation. Little, but some.
I hope this clarifies, dear Bohm, and again, peace to you!
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,
SA