Reports of Jesus' (death or resurrection) may have been later?

by Terry 52 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • myelaine
    myelaine

    dear PSacremento...

    you seem like a very compassionate person...but in your compassion aren't you justifying the sin of rejecting belief in Jesus as their saviour on the grounds that it is hard to believe anything, even God's word, once you are led to believe a lie and once you have lived as a JW...honestly you sound like you're trying to make it appear that poor Job had it easy compared to the JW experience.

    when people use the word of God to make a point of how un-Christlike the WTBTS is and then toss the rest of the word of God for their own "belief or world view" are they not disentangling themselves from one lie for another?...

    Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of UNBELIEF in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today" lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. hebrews 3:12-13...

    love michelle

  • not a captive
    not a captive

    Jesus as I understand him from the Writings--and there are plenty of writings that aren't includied in the Bible that is printed today--has to be experienced to be known. To know if his teaching are true, Jesus said we have to want to do the will of God. That is what the Gospels say.

    My desire to do the will of God recognizes that the Bible has been passing through the hands and the minds of fallible humans so I take care not to repeat concepts that I know are derived --not simply from God's mind---but distilled through the well educated minds of other humans.

    I can read. But God will have to forgive me for this: I have no reason to trust my "betters" who have formed religious concepts for us from---the times before Christ. Jesus had to fight those traditional viepoints himself. And so do we.

    If Jesus taught the sermon on the mount, and called us out to receive the Spirit, then I am satisfied that I can please God. I am too beleaguered to sort out the demands of life and the threads of Biblical scholarship--so I should quit?

    No.

    I ask God--not man--for the answer.

    What price there is to pay for not knowing how Jesus came or how he was so wonderful or when he was resurrected? I can't say. I know how wonderful he is now. NOW.

    That is what I know.

    That is what I have to say.

    Life has abundance in Jesus. And dignity.

    I read the scriptures and trust no man. I hardly trust myself.

    But that is between God and me.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    you seem like a very compassionate person...but in your compassion aren't you justifying the sin of rejecting belief in Jesus as their saviour on the grounds that it is hard to believe anything, even God's word, once you are led to believe a lie and once you have lived as a JW...honestly you sound like you're trying to make it appear that poor Job had it easy compared to the JW experience.

    I justify NOTHING, I simply remind that NO ONE here can judge another NOR speak for God on who will or will not be saved and why.

    That's all.

    when people use the word of God to make a point of how un-Christlike the WTBTS is and then toss the rest of the word of God for their own "belief or world view" are they not disentangling themselves from one lie for another?...

    Not sure what you mean...we must be selective in our interpretation of the wrod of God because it must be interprested within the character of God and God is Love and light and all this is good and nothing that is evil or dark, as per John.

    Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of UNBELIEF in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today" lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. hebrews 3:12-13

    Always quote the WHOLE of something:

    Jesus Greater Than Moses

    3 Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess. 2 He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God’s house. 3 Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. 4 For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. 5 Moses was faithful as a servant in all God’s house, testifying to what would be said in the future. 6 But Christ is faithful as a son over God’s house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast.

    Warning Against Unbelief

    7 So, as the Holy Spirit says:

    “Today, if you hear his voice,

    8 do not harden your hearts

    as you did in the rebellion,

    during the time of testing in the desert,

    9 where your fathers tested and tried me

    and for forty years saw what I did.

    10 That is why I was angry with that generation,

    and I said, ‘Their hearts are always going astray,

    and they have not known my ways.’

    11 So I declared on oath in my anger,

    ‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ” a

    12 See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. 14 We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first. 15 As has just been said:

    “Today, if you hear his voice,

    do not harden your hearts

    as you did in the rebellion.” b

    16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the desert? 18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed c ? 19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.

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