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by teel 77 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • debator
    debator

    No teel

    I read the article they are not claiming inspiration but being a Godly provision on earth. Which is what they are as annointed. The bible itself says it.

    2 Corinthians 5:20
    We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God.

    according to you this would make Paul a false prophet. You cannot redefine bible definition of inspiration of God by a totally different subject.

    Are they Gods ambassadors on earth? representing God through his son our Lord and king? thats for the individual to decide and if they are they can make ruling as ambassadors a provision God. Which was set out in the greek scriptures starting with the apostles.

    Matthew 16:19
    I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

    but has carried on through chosen overseers we pick ourselves as per biblical requirements that have been given this AUTHORITY.

    Hebrews 13:17
    Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.

    The basic bible premise to be a false prophet is to claim you are saying the ACTUAL inspired words of God himself not the words of ambassadors that God works through as his provision of shepherds as the article says clearly if you read right through it. They as God's provision have to say things as if they are the words of God.

    1 Peter 4:11
    If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.

    Your reasoning would have peter here inciting people to be False prophets. There is a difference between recognising your authority from God and again saying you SPEAK WORDS LITERALLY FROM GOD himself actual INSPIRED WORDS.

    Hi Isaac

    That is just a badly phrased awake that people try and put a claim of inspiration on. Which it isn't! It's just something describing Gods REAL promises to isaiah for a peaceful earth aka lion laying down with lamb and King david's promises too that JEsus quoted in the sermon on the mount.

    Psalm 37:11
    But the meek will inherit the land and enjoy great peace.

    You are trying to saying they are claiming God told them this in an inspired expression but they clearly deny any inspiration. So these words are just reiterating ACTUAL bible promises tied in with ACTUAL BIBLE CHRONOLOGY all that have come from God inspiring ancient BIBLE writers not the GB to write them.

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    Debator:

    Hi Isaac

    That is just a badly phrased awake that people try and put a claim of inspiration on. Which it isn't! It's just something describing Gods REAL promises to isaiah for a peaceful earth aka lion laying down with lamb and King david's promises too that JEsus quoted in the sermon on the mount.

    Psalm 37:11
    But the meek will inherit the land and enjoy great peace.

    You are trying to saying they are claiming God told them this in an inspired expression but they clearly deny any inspiration. So these words are just reiterating ACTUAL bible promises tied in with ACTUAL BIBLE CHRONOLOGY all that have come from God inspiring ancient BIBLE writers not the GB to write them.

    My reply: A badly phrased Awake?? Now i have heard it all. All your points have been addressed..simply go back and re-read...then you can go back outside and play.

  • transhuman68
    transhuman68

    If the GB are not claiming to be inspired, and are only men, why haven't they ever printed an apology when basic teachings are changed, instead of calling it 'new light?'

  • debator
    debator

    This argument is getting circular, The Bible and Jews and Christians understood False prophecy to be claiming to say ACTUAL INSPIRED God-breathed words from Jehovah himself and not getting those words from God.

    Our shepherds have denied any ability to be inspired this means they are not false prophets. The onus is on the person to claim they have the message directly from God himself ,not though his provision, his bible, his bible chronology but from Jehovah actual inspired words he has commanded.

    Now you can say this isn't so but you are arguing against the bible on this.

    Feel free to redefine what being inspired is extra-biblically to yourselves but that will not make it true. feel free to say we are liars when we openly say we are not inspired but again that is you putting inspiration on us not us claiming it.

    The person themselves has to claim they are INSPIRED REVELATION FROM GOD!

    Hananiah did, the pope does! but the witness don't claim inspiration.

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    One must also wonder why it is that many times the changes of doctrine bring the org into the same belief as other religions. Why are they getting this new light before God's org?

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    Debator:

    Hananiah did, the pope does! but the witness don't claim inspiration.

    My reply:

    Irrelevant- they require their members to accept what they teach as though it is from God. They have contradicted their own disclaimer claim.

  • debator
    debator

    Hi isaac

    this scripture shows your intepretation to be wrong Isaac.

    1 Peter 4:11
    If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.

    According to you Peter is inciting people to be false prophets.

  • debator
    debator

    Hi transhuman

    I have to go but can discuss later the concept of God's people needing continuous refinement from human mistakes later but I have to Go now.

    Daniel 11:35
    Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.

    I have enjoyed this debate everyone Thank you.

  • Titus
    Titus

    DEBATOR!

    When will we talk about the "other sheep"? (John 10:16)

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    1 Pet 4

    10 Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others, faithfully administering God’s grace in its various forms. 11 If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.

    No Debator, Peter is encouraging those using their gifts- be it teaching or serving- to do it for God's glory, allowing using the strength God provides...not to be speaking of ourselves or under our own power.. The org clearly violated this and teaches their own doctrine. Totally out of context verse you attempted to use to make your point.

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