At a 2 day assembly ...the point that the brother spoke about that drove me mad....."don't hug your husband, wife or child during prayer". (page 4)

aSphereisnotaCircle

OK, I get it, touching a loved family member during prayer MIGHT offend sombody.

But talks discussing anal and oral sex presented before gradeschoolers and toddlers is A OK!

WTWizard

Would people be stumbled if they were told to mind their own damn business?

Heaven

I personally never liked to see the hugging in the prayer

The Finger, I am sorry you feel this way. I would think that any God of Love would want to see this. Isn't Love what it's all about?

As for me whenever I see anyone hugging, I have a completely different response. I get all gooey and melty inside. It just makes my spirits soar! I get the same feeling when I see 2 people walking hand in hand, especially older couples.

Psychotic Parrot

It's not as bad as when that governing body moron spoke about how he looks forward to seeing homosexuals being eaten by birds. I bet the homosexuals in the audience who were studying (let's face it, there were bound to be some) were just thrilled to hear that.

Although, i suppose on the bright side, it probably made them aware that this cult isn't worth their time.

mindmelda

Bad touch, Bad touch!

Boy that guy must have really been uncomfortable at assemblies. All you'd see is people hugging each other who hadn't seen each other in a while.

One of the few good things Witnesses do, hug each other easily, and someone has to get freaky about it and insinuate that it's wrong. *facepalm*

Terry

The first thing that strikes me about this?

If Jehovah's Witnesses are worried about something "appears" to others they should have thought about that

when the predicted Armageddon so many times and ended up dead wrong!

If your behavior is always seen through the eyes of the weakest observer...

might it be advisable to NOT let your children die from lack of blood for fear of stumbling somebody who thinks the child should have a fair chance to live?

But no....they worry about a family expressing their bonding love during prayer.

This aptly demonstrates their priorities.

A.Fenderson

There was a short column about his on Freeminds a bit back, which was the first I'd heard of it--mind-blowing idiocy by the WTS:

http://www.freeminds.org/blogs/watchtower-comments/prayer-hands.html?q=touching+during+prayer

What about the people who's relationships suffered or even broke over the GB banning oral sex within the marriage? Only to find the ban eventually lifted and deemed "unscriptural."

I either wasn't around for this, or wasn't paying attention: was this actually made explicit in print? When did this happen? I bet there were some interesting conversations when this went down.

wannabefree

A.Fenderson - Oral sex is still a no-no. I really can't understand why there is a rule about this, but the study article of October 15, 2007 "Responding to Your Conscience" doesn't leave this one up to your conscience as the footnote in paragraph 8 refers you to it refers you to w83 3/15 pp. 30-31 with the ultimate statement made "Such practice and advocacy could even lead to expulsion from the congregation."

The context is provided below.

w83 3/15 pp. 30-31 Honor Godly Marriage!
Married Christians
How about sexual activity between married couples within the marriage bond? It is not for the elders to pry into the intimate lives of married Christians. However, the Bible certainly enters into their lives. Those who would “keep walking by spirit” should not ignore the Scriptural indications of God’s thinking. And they will do well to cultivate a hatred for everything that is unclean before Jehovah, including what are clearly perverted sexual practices. Married couples should act in a way that will leave them with a clean conscience, as they give unimpeded attention to developing “the fruitage of the spirit.”—Galatians 5:16, 22, 23; Ephesians 5:3-5.
What, though, if one mate wants or even demands to share with his or her partner in what is clearly a perverted sex practice? The above-presented facts show that porneia involves unlawful sexual conduct outside the marital arrangement. Thus, a mate’s enforcing perverted acts, such as oral or anal sex, within the marriage would not constitute a Scriptural basis for a divorce that would free either for remarriage. Even though a believing mate is distressed by the situation, yet that one’s endeavor to hold to Scriptural principles will result in a blessing from Jehovah. In such cases it may be helpful for the couple to discuss the problem frankly, bearing in mind especially that sexual relations should be honorable, wholesome, an expression of tender love. This certainly should exclude anything that might distress or harm one’s mate.—Ephesians 5:28-30; 1 Peter 3:1, 7.
As already stated, it is not for elders to “police” the private marital matters of couples in the congregation. However, if it becomes known that a member of the congregation is practicing or openly advocating perverted sex relations within the marriage bond, that one certainly would not be irreprehensible, and so would not be acceptable for special privileges, such as serving as an elder, a ministerial servant or a pioneer. Such practice and advocacy could even lead to expulsion from the congregation.

mindmelda

I know of Witness couples who really suffered thinking that they'd committed "fornication" by having either oral or anal sex.

I don't know why the waffling, but maybe someone got the nerve to finally ask them where the specific scripture was that defined those acts between married people as fornication.

Because there isn't one.

Or maybe someone threatened to sue them for sexual discrimination or harassment or something, or just to butt the hell out of other people's private lives. I hope so!

Even the government doesn't pry into what kind of sex you're having behind closed doors between consenting adults. I always used to wonder what kind of voyeurism it took to charge someone with sodomy? Oral sex the same...who goes around looking into windows to find out what kind of sex people are having?

And, isn't that breaking the law in and of itself? Laws on privacy and such?

A.Fenderson

Even the government doesn't pry into what kind of sex you're having behind closed doors between consenting adults.

Not at present, but the laws against anal sex, oral sex, non-missionary-position sex, etc are still on the books. Many law-enforcement personnel rightfully think these are idiotic and haven't the slightest interest in enforcing them. Others, though, presumably get all hot and bothered just thinking about all the disgusting things other people are doing to each other just out of sight, and would really like to see stop it.

At a 2 day assembly ...the point that the brother spoke about that drove me mad....."don't hug your husband, wife or child during prayer".

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