THERE NOT OUR LEADERS?...........SWEET I'M OFF FOR SOME FORNICATION AND A BLOOD SAUSAGE....BYE BYE!
"Bearing Thorough Witness" book: New light about Governing Body
Reniia seems to think the GB have the same authority as the apostle Paul who was inspired directly by God and who performed miracles.
Witness007, what does the GB's status have to do with the Bible's prohibition of fornication??
Me thinks they just shot themselves in the foot!
They are not leaders! Agreed.
I agree that I am to be taught of Gods' Spirit and not of man.
Paul was appointed directly as an Apostle by Jesus, he gave ample proof of that, even raising the dead, and yes Holy Spirit directed him, "step over into Macedonia " etc.
But for anyone to claim similar direction today,they would need to supply some proof.
Great stuff there Wobble :)
Now I feel like picketing somewhere with a "I Need Proof" signboard :D
*Deemoo is swept up in forum frenzy*
this is why there are 8 gb members in line with there being a group of appostles as leaders so that none can have a position in peoples eyes that would detract from Jehovah's or Jesus's superior postions. Leadership without self-glorification is the name of the day for god's people! maybe something the Pope should work on ^^.
How many on here have only come to know the gb members name from this website even after years in the witnesses and never had the names of the leaders constantly refered too?
Acts 1:20-26 (New International Version)
20 "For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms,
" 'May his place be deserted;
let there be no one to dwell in it,' [ a ] and,
" 'May another take his place of leadership.' [ b ] 21 Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection."
23 So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24 Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen 25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs." 26 Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
My reply: So you beleive in apostolic succession reniaa? That is what you are claiming here. The Reasoning book says that apostolic succession is not a Bible teaching.
The gb are making it clear that while they have the direction to take care and lead the flock until Jesus returns they are not leaders instead of Jesus whom we are all answerable to as our King and Jehovah who is Jesus's head. the gb are just caretakers of the household as jesus later words in the next chapter refers too in parable.
My reply: This is all self-proclaimed authority by the GB and a review of their history would show it to be false.
matthew 24 : 45 "Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
My reply: The faithful and wise servant would be the one found alert and watching- fulfilling his role as a Christian. Upon Jesus return- in the future...those found faithful and wise will be given wonderful privelages in the Kingdom...those not faithful and wise will lose out.
The Watchtower of January 15 2008;
"The other sheep companions of the congregation of anointed Christians prove their faith in various ways. First they support the anointed in proclaiming the good news of God's Kingdom. Second, they willingly submit themselves to the direction provided by the Governing Body. Third, they support their anointed brothers by living in harmony with Jehovah's righteous principles."
This is a bit confusing. Who provides direction? Does a leader provide direction?
From the same Watchtower, page 26 paragraph 6'
"In a symbolic way, Christians with an earthly hope today walk behind the anointed slave class and its Governing Body, following their leadership"
Is the leadership of the Governing Body symbolic? Can you symbolically disagree with their symbolic leadership?
"The Governing Body relies on God's spirit".
OK, so how does that explain why they keep changing their minds on so many things, including going back to an original position with the "Generation" issue? And why don't they ever get their predictions right--if holy spirit was guiding them and God was benevolent, for sure they would have gotten 1874 right on the nose. We all know what happened in 1874--nothing. So, they try again--by now, it is blatantly obvious that either the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger is not guided by God, or that God is nothing more than a tyrant that wants mankind in perennial darkness.
I think that we need to see the comment in context on the page before passing judgement ....My suspicion is that is just a play on words. Passwordprotected has pointed out their recent statements requiring obedience from the flock.
If they are not leaders then they have no right to fix doctrine like deciding which part of blood is really blood, or many other things.
We can expect a WT soon emphasising the need for submission to the FDS as typified by the GB (not that they are our leaders , of course)
It has to be a further move to disavow the Governing Body from any legal threat. What I mean is, how can the Governing Body be sued in a class action law suit, for example, if they aren't the ones leading the R&F into refusing blood transfusions, shunning babies etc etc?
If each JW has the absolute authority over their destiny, then it's only them that's to blame when things go Pete Tong.
However, if that is the case, the WT literature will be full of statements like "a mature Christian would wisely [insert course of action] as a demonstration of their loyalty to Jehovah". Is the "Keep Yourself in God's Love" book a textbook of how not to follow the leadership of the Governing Body (because they're not your leader, folks!) while emphasising the importance of doing that very thing?