Sunday Public talk that talked about oral sex (page 6)

passwordprotected

The facts are it is christendom is the one that started this whole thing by making the forbidden fruit in the bible between adam and eve about sex and not just about a piece of fruit. this was embraced by using the scriptures on fornication etc to back it up. This false teaching is another one that needed to be taken away but the residue about being guilty on sex was still there and needed refining to only the points that the scriptures do make when it refers to what God does and doesn't allow.
We now as a society can see the reasons why fornication, adultery and homosexuality are not allowed biblically from consequences health-wise and society-wise to see it is not about sex at all.
My local school no longer does father's day cards because and I quote "not enough of the children have father's to give cards too and will be upset seeing the ones that do, making them!"

Wow, this is up there with the best of them.

So, because Christendom has made sex dirty, it's ok for the Governing Body to sing from the same hymn sheet? Shouldn't the Governing Body be using the Bible to explain that God created sex to be enjoyed to the full within the marriage arrangment?

Are you just going to ignore the above quotes from WTS publications that call oral sex between a husband and wife and filthy, God-displeasing perversion?

passwordprotected

*** True Peace (1986) pp.142-51 ch.13 Your View of Sex—What Difference Does It Make? ***

1986, that's just 23 years ago. I thought your original argument was that society in general was much more conservative when the Governing Body banned oral sex within marriage.

The articles in 2007 that talked about pornea had a footnote that posed the question as to whether oral sex etc was permitted within marriage. The reader was encourage to course the 1983 articles. That means the teachings from 1983 (wow, wasn't that a long time ago?) still stand.

Why are you defending the Governing Body for stepping into the bedroom of JW married couples? Are you happy have your sex life governed in such a way?

maryacclaim

I would like to say, that it seems people on this site tend to come down pretty hard on RENIAA. I was under the impression that all of us could voice our opinions weather we are JW's or not. In fact it seemed that JW's were encouraged to come on here, and express how they feel. If anything, I would say the majority on here push their opinions and beliefs, especially PASSWORD PROTECT with his trinity stuff.

This last post RENIAA, I am a little unsure what your point is. Um... Fathers Day... versus... Homosexuals... What? Because now a bunch of dads suck at being dads, you can see why the Watchtower warned us about Fathers Day...

But all in all, I find your scriptual research to be pretty top notch.

Thanks RENIAA

mary

passwordprotected

just some person's talk..

Hi-larious. That 'just some person' is the Society's official spokesperson. He talks for the Governing Body. So when he says oral sex goes beyond what's normal, that's the Governing Body saying it.

It's interesting you choose to follow such leadership, a leadership where you need to know a set of unwritten rule as to what teachings are current or what teachings have been updated or what teachings have been quietly dropped.

Confusing.

mrsjones5

I think you're confused about sexual practices Reniaa. Homosexual acts are only homosexual if preformed between two gay men or two lesbian women. Likewise hetrosexual acts are those that are preformed between a man and a woman. No sexual act that I preform with my husband would ever be homosexual because he a man and I'm a woman and neither one of us is gay. Plus, and here's the kicker, we're married and according to the bible we are one. So his body is mine and my body is his and what we do with our bodies is between us (as long as we both agree) and blessed by God.

passwordprotected

Maryacclaim, yes all of us can voice our opinions whether we are JWs or not. That doesn't mean that our opinions won't be challenged.

passwordprotected

@ mrsjones - Amen, sister.

maryacclaim

However PASSWORD, it would seem that you and many others, take special interest in attacking any and all things that RENIAA has to say. Not many attack your form of reasoning, which is truly one sided, though many disagree with it.

Did you know that as recently as 2006, ones could be DF'd for looking at porn? And it mentions other things that are viewed as uncleaness or loose conduct, which it would stand to reason that the WT still feels they have the grounds for DF"n someone if it comes to the elders attn. THATS LAME!

The Watchtower- 2006 7/15 Questions from readers pg. 31

However, suppose a Christian has secretly viewed abhorrent, sexually degrading pornography for years and has done everything possible to conceal this sin. Such pornography might feature gang rape, bondage, sadistic torture, the brutalizing of women, or even child pornography. When others become aware of his conduct, he is deeply ashamed. He has not been brazen, but the elders may determine that he has ‘given himself over’ to this filthy habit and has practiced ‘uncleanness with greediness,’ that is, gross uncleanness. A judicial committee would be formed because gross uncleanness is involved. The wrongdoer would be disfellowshipped if he did not display godly repentance and the determination never to view pornography again. If he invited others to his home to view pornography—in effect, promoting it—he would give evidence of a brazen attitude characterizing loose conduct.

Determining whether someone has gone far enough to be guilty of gross uncleanness or loose conduct is a serious responsibility, for lives are involved. Those judging such cases should do so prayerfully, asking God for his holy spirit, discernment, and understanding. Elders need to maintain the purity of the congregation and must base their judgment on God’s Word as well as on the direction of “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Matthew 18:18; 24:45) And in these evil days, more than ever before, elders need to bear in mind the words: “See what you are doing, because it is not for man that you judge but it is for Jehovah.”—2 Chronicles 19:6. End of article

So this does suck that they have the "Don't ask, Don't tell." rule in these regards.

This rule is wrong and always will be. I like that they call it GREEDINESS, did you know if you give your husband a BJ, you're being GREEDY.

Mary

mrsjones5

I don't get it, how is it being greedy?

boyzone

Reniaa, may I say I admire your courage to continually post on here despite the huge amount of proof given to show you are mistaken time and time again. How do you feel about that?

Does it make you feel uncomfortable to be continually proved wrong? I ask in all sincereness - honestly sis, I'm not having a dig at you...its just there must be a point in your mind where the evidence presented becomes so overwhelming that it tips the scales away from the Org.

Are your mind-scales tipping yet? Or is there so much in your personal life to lose by leaving the WT behind that the thought is untenable no matter what proof is shown you?

It takes a huge amount of effort to continue to defend the indefensible but it can also take considerable effort to admit you've been wrong and stop.

Where are you on this path sis?

Sunday Public talk that talked about oral sex

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