Why is America such an unequal society?

by hamilcarr 78 Replies latest social current

  • hamilcarr
    hamilcarr

    Just compare developed free-market economies with high rates of taxation and social spending and countries with low rates of taxation and social expenditures. Here's an interesting article providing empirical evidence why van Hayek was wrong:

    http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-social-welfare-state

    The U.S. spends less than almost all rich countries on social services for the poor and disabled, and it gets what it pays for: the highest poverty rate among the rich countries and an exploding prison population. Actually, by shunning public spending on health, the U.S. gets much less than it pays for, because its dependence on private health care has led to a ramshackle system that yields mediocre results at very high costs.
  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Here's an interesting article providing empirical evidence why van Hayek was wrong:

    I remember that one, the article is journalistic, but hardly scientific. Here is a Swedish economist that fairly tears it apart (full text follows):

    http://stefanmikarlsson.blogspot.com/2006/10/jeffrey-sachs-on-nordic-countries.html

    Jeffrey Sachs On Nordic Countries

    First I received an e-mail from an American Physics Professor asking me to reply to a recent article in Scientific American by Jeffrey Sachs on the Nordic countries, and then I saw Jeffrey Tucker also bringing attention to the article on the Mises blog.

    My mises.org article on Sweden answers much of Sach's arguments, including the deceptiveness of official unemployment statistics in Sweden (a deceptiveness that to only a slightly lesser extent exist in the other Nordic countries). But there are a few additional points in his article that needs further comments, although there are a lot of question marks as I have been unable to find the background paper that the article refers to, on Sach's web site.

    Anyway here is just a few of the shortcomings of Sach's article:

    First, his use of the Nordic countries and English speaking countries as comparisons of the effects of welfare statism is highly questionable as it is not the case that the Nordic countries are the most welfare statist and the English speaking the least welfare statist. Particularly if you adjust for differences in the extent to which government transfer payments are taxed, there are a lot of continental European countries which have higher spending than Norway and Finland, and in the case of France also Denmark and Sweden.

    Second, his use of budget surpluses and R&D spending as measures of economic success are misleading. Regarding budget surpluses, decisions on whether to run surpluses or deficits are run independently on the issue of whether to have high taxes for high spending or not. And it is hardly self-evident that running massive budget surpluses, i.e. having massive forced saving is really a good thing. As for R&D spending, since when did that become a self-end. It isn't, at most it is a means to achieving prosperity and not a self-end. And not even that is BTW really clear. As I pointed out in a previous post on this blog, there is no evidence to support that R&D spending have more positive effects than other investments.

    Third, including Norway in the Nordic sample is highly misleading as its per capita income is artificially boosted (and its poverty rate suppressed) by its massive oil wealth.

    Fourth, Sachs completely neglects a key scientific requirement: holding other relevant factors constant when testing the effects of something. One of the key reasons why the U.S. has a higher poverty rate is the immigration of low-skilled Latin Americans. These immigrants have it far better in the U.S. than in their countries of origin, but as their incomes are relatively low by American standards, they push up the official poverty rate. Had the U.S. instead pursued Swedish immigration policies, i.e. made immigrants unemployed and dependent on lavish welfare benefits or Danish and Finnish policy of accepting almost no immigrants then the official domestic poverty rate would have been lower but world poverty higher. And regardless of which immigration policy you prefer on other grounds, it has nothing to do with the issue of the effects of an extensive welfare state.

  • hamilcarr
    hamilcarr

    Bookmarked for later read.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    I look forward to further discussion with you, my European cousin.

    BTS

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    hamilcarr, you have a PM

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    hamilcarr, you have a PM

    Oooh. Now I am all flustered and curious regarding what is being said about me in a private communication! :-P

  • sass_my_frass
    sass_my_frass

    Thanks guys; great thread!

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    LOL! Look at this old cartoon I just stumbled on. 1950. It is based on Hayek's Road to Serfdom.It seems oddly appropiate lately.

    These things are so predictable, but peoples fall prey to them again and again.

    BTS

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC

    Equality of Circumstance is BS. I was born with bad eyes. I was born to a poor family. I suck at math. People are born of equal worth a humans. They become what they become in a free society from hard work and determination.

    I still have bad eyes. I still suck at math because I didnt try harder than someone else who did not suck at math. I am not poor because I worked hard. I never took a thing from the government. Never will. I dont want them involved in my life.

    Equal in opportunity is important. Equal in circumstance is a great depressor of the human spirit.

    Sorry Im so unprogressive.

  • beksbks
    beksbks
    Sorry Im so unprogressive.

    Me too

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