December 15, 2008 WT on shunning! It's a doozy...

by alamb 68 Replies latest members private

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    Sorry if this is hurtful.

    No darling it is not hurtful I understand your feelings completly ...I could have easily refused. But I truly do believe there is more happiness in giving than receiving... I am old as you know & dont expect to live a lot longer. I am leaving this earth ( I hope) hoping they will remember the "KIND" things I did for her,,,
    Yes my Daughter (gusgus on here out of the WT) is always telling me in fun "Mother your giving away my inheritance "

    She tells me " Oh Mother what will I do with you"But she did tell me the other day she thinks I am a wonderful MUM!!!! that is all the payment I need.

    ((((((((((restrangled)))))

  • bronzefist
    bronzefist

    Jehovah's Word Is Alive....PDF

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/bjoyrf

    brzfst

  • Quandry
    Quandry

    You continue to give us heartache and you have no loving concern for any of us!

    Yes....she is experiencing heartache. This shows that she loves you, but she can't help but cling to the WTS. I was the same a few short years ago. Perhaps at one time you felt the same. She is trying to be loyal to the organization.

    Please be patient with her. Heap fiery coals on her head. Ignore what she said, as she is expecting you to be angry and react to her message. Send her a lovely card that says I love you mom. Tell her how glad you are that she got to meet her grandchildren, and how proud you are of them. Tell her that you have her upmost concern in mind and are not "feigning love." Let her know that one day, perhaps when she is ill or older and cannot care for herself, you plan on being there when she needs you most.

    Time passes so fast. My mother and father were not JWs and hated them. I was the cold aloof one, barely giving them my time, as I was oh so busy out in service, and at meetings with people who couldn't have cared less about me. When my parents could no longer care for themselves, though, I was there. Looking back, I know I should have done so much more, and spent time with them.

    They are both gone now, my mom just a few months ago. Time catches up with all of us, and especially since the big A doesn't seem to be "soon, very soon," it will catch up with your parents, also.

    Deep breath.

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    No Jehovah's Witness can hurt me. I have a Teflon ass. Nothing sticks to it.

    Since I embraced the "one strike, you're out" policy I've been bulletproof. My least favorite of all Witnesses have mostly been Witness relatives. They've tried hard to show me they are disagreeable people with bad character.

    All my time is exclusively for friends and nice relatives. I don't have one second for anybody who'd disrespect me or my family.

  • moshe
    moshe

    I am so sorry you have such a mean mother. The public needs to be aware of how JW's treat ex-JW family members. Years ago, I left flyers in my community explaining how JW's and elders helped my wife hide my kids from me for over 2 weeks. What was my crime? I wanted to take them to church with me. It took a court order for me to gain access to my kids and exercise my parental rights. JW's in that community received such bad PR over this incident that they moved almost 10 miles away to a different town and built a new KH. I suppose that 20 years later they probably deny that this incident ever happened. JW's are good at denying how they break up families.

  • exjdub
    exjdub

    Any ideas for a reply?

    Mom:

    Parents feigning love by sending hurtful Watchtower articles are as dangerous to our well being as rocks hidden below water are to ships or swimmers. Such parents may seem to be generous, but they are like waterless clouds in that they are emotionally empty. Such ones are as fruitless as dead trees in late autumn. I wish you would genuinely love me as much as I genuinely love you...

    exjdub

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    alamb,

    Dunno if you've already made up your mind, but if you feel the need to reply, just one statement of hers really needs addressing:'

    the society gives us instruction on how to live and gain God's favor!

    There is no scriptural foundation for Watch Tower Corporation to become an intermediary. The Bible DOES say:

    (John 14:6) Jesus said to him: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    So, you could start your reply with some small talk about your children growing and maybe visiting Grandma again someday. Then if you want to get in a jab, let her know that you choose to follow the Bible and Jesus gives us instruction on how to live and gain God's favor! Watch Tower Corporation doesn't provide salvation, it cashes in on people's fear of Armageddon.

    Good Luck!

    B the X

  • Confession
    Confession

    Hi, after reading the first page, I wrote this possible response. I now realize there are two more pages I haven't read. Please forgive if my points have already been made. I lifted some of these points from the very long letter I wrote to my mother...

    ------------------

    Mom... In the beginning, a man named Charles started a religious association in an attempt to bring people together. People of all different religions who were often childishly separating themselves from one another. In the Watchtower of February 1884, he wrote...

    "We call ourselves simply Christians and we raise no fence to separate from us any who believe in the foundation stone of our building mentioned by Paul: "That Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures"; and those for whom this is not broad enough have no right to the name Christian."

    Yes, Charles saw the idea of 'raising fences' to be an unnecessary and un-Christian thing. He proceeded with his ministry in this spirit, recognizing that people have a right to use the minds God gave them, and that there was no need to be upset by disagreements...

    "We do not require therefore that all shall see just as we do in order to be called Christians..." [Watchtower April 1882 Q&A]

    He even recognized the tragic result of 'raising fences' and forcing others into a required system of belief...

    "The endeavor to compel all men to think alike on all subjects, culminated in the great apostasy and the development of the great papal system…" [Watchtower September 1st, 1893]

    Obviously much has changed in the organization Charles started. He wrote, "A visible organization is out of harmony with God’s divine plan." [Watchtower December 1st, 1894] Yet today this organization sternly warns against even "questioning the counsel that is provided by God’s visible organization.” [Watchtower January 15, 1893]

    The Bible says “Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.” [Psalm 146:3, NWT] The Apostle Paul often identified the relationship we were supposed to have with those who "take the lead" among us. He said such persons would not be "masters over YOUR faith, but we are fellow workers for YOUR joy, for it is by [YOUR] faith that YOU are standing.” [2 Cor. 1:24, NWT] With reference to those with authority who would judge him, he said, "Now to me it is a very trivial matter that I should be examined by YOU or by a human tribunal.” [1 Cor. 4:3, NWT]

    But even though the Bible clearly teaches that it is by your own faith you are standing, even though the Christian example is not to let the "fear of man" guide your life, your letter indicates that you have come to recognize "the society" as the only means to know "how to live and gain God's favor!" You do not even know how to 'stand by your own faith.' "I can only do what I been doing for 40 years."

    My love for you and Dad is not affected one bit. I love you for all of the things you are that have nothing to do with these men in New York. This love is something God put in you and I—and the rest of our family. It is an entirely unnatural and unscriptural thing to allow a group of men to convince you that, because I no longer think they are what they say they are, you should act out of harmony with that love by shunning me.

    I submit to you that it is the height of small mindedness for either of us to decide that, since we may have disagreements about what is and is not true, we should punish the other for it. I love you and want you to be happy. And although we have disagreements in some areas, I want you to know that, in the sincerity of my heart, I am endeavoring to be every bit as righteous as you originally hoped I'd be.

  • under the radar
    under the radar

    First, let me say that I've been lurking here for years but not posted much because anything I would have said had usually already been said, and by someone more knowledgeable and experienced than I.

    But those asinine comments in the Watchtower noted above were personally offensive and WAY over the top.

    Where do they get off implying that "apostates" could only be "feigning" love? People of differing opinions (about anything, but religion in particular) can be just as loving and generous as anyone else. It is those who deny others the right to their own beliefs who are the unloving ones. Questioning an opponent's motives and source of information is one of the first signs that one's own argument is weak and cannot be defended using reason and logic alone.

    The comment that the "entire range of Christian teachings" is "now part of the Bible" is nothing short of blasphemous! Revelation curses any who add or take away from what was written "in the scrolls." Many years ago, I had a conversation with a couple of Catholic Apologists. Their assertion that decisions of the early Church Fathers had the same weight as Holy Scirpture was met with derision, disgust, and disbelief by everyone in the congregation I told about it. So are we now to believe that the Watchtower's teachings about birthdays, political cards, voting, college, marital relations, etc. are now part of the Bible? What about their flip-flopping positions on the men of Sodom, screaming vs not screaming when threatened with rape, organ transplants, alternative national service, "this generation," etc., etc.? Were they "part of the Bible," then not "part of the Bible," then "part of the Bible" again? You need a scorecard to keep track of what the "belief-du-jour" is. That one sentence in the Watchtower brims with arrogance, disdain for the beliefs of others, and yes, blasphemy...on several levels.

    So far, only a certain few members of my family have been shunning me for my "apostate" beliefs, and then only to the minimum they can get away with and still be considered not fraternizing with an "apostate." I have put up with this because it allows me some contact with older relatives in poor health. But if they decide to step up the shunning because of this article, I will not hold back. I've let them "witness" to me without answering back or pointing out the ludicrousness of some of their arguments out of respect for their sincerely held beliefs and their feelings. But this may be the final straw...

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    What a lovely reply Confession. Very well thought out thank you it encouraged me. XX

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