Criticism worthy of your time

by johnnyc 71 Replies latest jw experiences

  • BFD

    I thought you were going back to the KH. (quip, quip)


  • middleman

    Great post yknot.

  • Galileo

    Johnny, if you are truly looking for evidence that the JW's teach falsehoods, then I must reiterate that is about the best place to start.

    As for a smoking gun, there are many, but the fact that they are factually wrong on 607 B.C.E. is a good one to look into. Without 607, then 1914 is wrong, and the foundation upon which this church was built crumbles. The governing body has been aware that the date of 607 is incorrect since at least the late 60's or early 70's, but has chosen to cover it up by disfellowshipping those that seriously raise the issue (for a full accounting of the matter, see the books "Crisis of Conscience" by former Governing Body member Ray Franz, and "The Gentile Times Reconsidered" by Carl Olof Jonsson).

  • Free

    "In your post you said the wts abandoned us- hardly, I walked away from that cult. I saw them for what they really are, a lying sack of shit." How true. I ran away .

  • Free

    Johnny, What do you think of the Watchtower being an NGO with the UN for 10 years ? 1991-1992 only to back out after being exposed.

    or the flip flops with the generation ?

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    Jehovah's Witnesses link to UN queried

    Sect accused of hypocrisy over association with organisation it has demonised.

    Stephen Bates, religious affairs correspondent

    Monday October 8, 2001

    The Guardian

    The United Nations is being asked to investigate why it has granted associate status to the Jehovah's Witnesses, the fundamentalist US-based Christian sect, which regards it as the scarlet beast predicted in the Book of Revelation.

    Disaffected members of the 6m-strong group, which has 130,000 followers in the UK, have accused the Witnesses' elderly governing body of hypocrisy in secretly accepting links with an organisation that they continue to denounce in apocalyptic terms.

    The UN itself admitted yesterday that it was surprised that the sect, whose formal name is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, had been accepted on its list of non-governmental organisations for the last 10 years.

    A former member said: "There is a glaring inconsistency which has emerged between the WTBTS's frequent portrayal of the UN as an evil organisation and its behind-the-scenes attempts to curry favour with that organisation. Were individual members to be aware of any formal link they would be devastated.

    "By no stretch of the imagination could the WTBTS be considered to share the ideals of the UN charter unless you suppose that destruction of the UN by God is consistent with that charter."

    The Witnesses, most frequently encountered by non-members when they attempt to make doorstep conversions, have faced accusations of bad faith before.

    These have been most notably over the hierarchy's insistence that members should not accept blood transfusions and over accusations that sexual abuse of children by Witnesses' ministers in the US have been covered up.

    Followers who criticise the Witnesses' leaders or question their decisions are routinely "disfellowshipped" which means fellow members including their families must shun them.

    An obscure and ill-publicised decision by the hierarchy in New York last year modifying the prohibition on transfusions by deeming that God had revealed to them that transfusions of some blood components might be acceptable, providing there was later repentance, has come too late for many hundreds of followers known to have died because they refused blood.

    In child abuse cases, the hierarchy insists there must be two independent witnesses - an almost impossible stipulation - before accusations are investigated.

    The Watchtower Society has been denouncing the UN and its predecessor the League of Nations for 80 years, believing them to be a world empire of false religion, predicted in the Book of Revelation.

    A recent publication since the organisation obtained its recognition describes the UN as "a disgusting thing in the sight of God and his people".

    In an internal document, the WTBTS describes its policy as a "theocratic war strategy". It claims: "In time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary it does much good."

    Being a recognised NGO with the United Nations - as more than 1,500 organisations are - gives status though not grants.

    To qualify, organisations must show that they share the ideals of the charter, operate on a non-profit basis, "demonstrate interest in UN issues and proven ability to reach large or specialised audiences" and have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities.

    Disaffected Witnesses believe that the association, which has not been publicised to followers, is intended to increase the cult's respectability to sceptical governments, such as France's, which have refused to recognise it.

    Paul Gillies, the Witnesses' spokesman in Britain, said: "We do not have hostile attitudes to governing bodies and if we are making representations on issues to the UN we will do so."

    "There are good and bad bodies just as there are good and bad politicians. We believe what the Book of Revelation tells us but we do not actively try to change the political system."

    A spokeswoman for the UN said: "I think we may not be aware of their attitude, which seems to be really strange."

    Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2001

  • BizzyBee
    I hope to start other posts to consider specific matters.

    Great idea. I look forward to reading them. BTW, Welcome to the board, Johnny!

  • Free
  • Layla33

    People coming out of a cult need to vent. It you don't like that, just get your scroll on...

  • chickpea

    what will you think of the b0rg, if your as yet unborn child has a variant viewpoint than that which is espoused by the doddering childless FDS, and you are told to shun, cut off and sever your offspring from your life ............for the sin of thinking for themselves?

    suppose for a moment that the cruel requirement is terminated... what would you say to the families who adhered to the dogma and missed out on sharing life events of births, marriages, graduations, funerals with their mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, grandchildren?

    do you think the FDS pattern of deny, conceal, and never apologize will continue?

    until you have walked in the shoes of people who have walked the tortured and convoluted path of that dispicable practice, i think your criticism is unwarranted

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