Evolutions billion dollar question!

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  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    They developed with all mammals as their intelligence developed, not really a billion dollar question

    Funny isn't how a simple 2 cent answer is all that is required !

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Animals Enjoy A Good Laugh, Too, Say Scientists


    Animals Enjoy A Good
    Laugh, Too, Say Scientists
    By Peter Gorner
    Chicago Tribune Science Reporter
    4-2-5


    Tickling rats to make them chirp with joy may seem frivolous as a
    scientific pursuit, yet understanding laughter in animals may lead to
    revolutionary treatments for emotional illness, researchers suggest.

    Joy and laughter, they say, are proving not to be uniquely human
    traits.

    Roughhousing chimpanzees emit characteristic pants of excitement,
    their version of "ha-ha-ha" limited only by their anatomy and lack of
    breath control, researchers contend.

    Dogs have their own sound to spur other dogs to play, and recordings
    of the sound can dramatically reduce stress levels in shelters and
    kennels, according to the scientist who discovered it.

    Even laboratory rats have been shown to chirp delightedly above the
    range of human hearing when wrestling with each other or being tickled
    by a keeper--the same vocalizations they make before receiving
    morphine or having sex.

    Studying sounds of joy may help us understand the evolution of human
    emotions and the brain chemistry underlying such emotional problems as
    autism and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorders, said Jaak
    Panksepp, a pioneering neuroscientist who discovered rat laughter.

    Panksepp, of Bowling Green State University in Ohio, sums up the
    latest studies in this week's edition of the journal Science in hopes
    of alerting colleagues to results that he terms "spectacular." The
    research suggests that studying animal emotions, once a scientific
    taboo, seems to be moving rapidly into the mainstream.

    "It's very, very difficult to find skeptics these days. The study of
    animal emotions has really matured.

    Things have changed completely from as recently as five years ago,"
    said Mark Bekoff, an expert in canine play behavior and professor of
    biology at the University of Colorado, Boulder.

    Biologists suggest that nature apparently considers sounds of joy
    important enough to have conserved them during the evolutionary
    process.

    "Neural circuits for laughter exist in very ancient regions of the
    brain," Panksepp said, "and ancestral forms of play and laughter
    existed in other animals eons before we humans came along."

    Research in this area "is just the beginning wave of the future," said
    comparative ethologist Gordon Burghardt, of the University of
    Tennessee, who studies the evolution of play. "It will allow us to
    bridge the gap with other species."

    New investigative techniques often rely on super high-tech scanning
    wizardry, but the most important tool for scientists in this field is
    much more simple.

    "Tickles are the key," Panksepp said. "They open up a previously
    hidden world."

    Panksepp had studied play vocalizations in animals for years before it
    occurred to him that they might be an ancestral form of laughter.

    "Then I went to the lab and tickled some rats. Tickled them gently
    around the nape of their necks. Wow!"

    The tickling made the rats chirp happily--"as long as the animal's
    friendly toward you," he said. "If not, you won't get a single chirp,
    just like a child that might be suspicious of an adult."

    Rats that were repeatedly tickled became socially bonded to the
    researchers and would seek out tickles. The researchers also found
    that rats would rather spend time with animals that chirp a lot than
    with those that don't.

    During human laughter, the dopamine reward circuits in the brain light
    up. When researchers neurochemically tickled those same areas in rat
    brains, the rats chirped.

    Rat humor remains to be investigated, but if it exists, a prime
    component will be slapstick, Panksepp speculated. "Young rats, in
    particular, have a marvelous sense of fun."

    Panksepp said that laughter, at least in response to a direct physical
    stimulus such as tickling, may be a common trait shared by all
    mammals.

    Psychologist and neuroscientist Robert Provine, author of "Laughter: A
    Scientific Investigation," tickled and played with chimpanzees at the
    Yerkes Regional Primate Center in Atlanta while researching the
    origins of the human laugh.

    Laughter in chimps, our closest genetic relatives, is associated with
    rough-and-tumble play and tickling, Provine found. That came as no
    surprise.

    "It's like the behavior of young children," said Provine, of the
    University of Maryland Baltimore County. "A tickle and laughter are
    the first means of communication between a mother and her baby, so
    laughter appears by about four months after birth."

    The importance of such an early behavior is apparent.

    "We're talking about a life-and-death deal here--the bonding and
    survival of babies," Provine said.

    When chimps laugh, they make unique panting sounds, ranging from
    barely audible to hard grunting, with each inward and outward breath.

    "We humans laugh on outward breaths. When we say `ha-ha-ha,' we're
    chopping an outward breath," Provine said. "Chimps can't do that. They
    make one sound per inward and outward breath. They don't have the
    breath control to ... make the traditional human laugh."

    The breakthrough in dog laughter was accomplished by University of
    Nevada, Reno, researcher Patricia Simonet while working with
    undergraduates at Sierra Nevada College in Lake Tahoe.

    With extensive chimp research behind her, Simonet was open to the idea
    of animal emotions, but the laughing sound she discovered in dogs was
    unexpected: a "breathy, pronounced, forced exhalation" that sounds to
    the untrained ear like a normal dog pant.

    But a spectrograph showed a burst of frequencies, some beyond human
    hearing. A plain pant is simpler, limited to just a few frequencies.

    Hearing a tape of the dog laugh made single animals take up toys and
    play by themselves, Simonet said. It never initiated aggressive
    responses.

    "If you want to invite your dog to play using the dog laugh, say `hee,
    hee, hee' without pronouncing the `ee,'" Simonet said. "Force out the
    air in a burst, as if you're receiving the Heimlich maneuver."

    When she played a recording of a laughing dog at an animal shelter,
    Simonet found that even 8-week-old puppies reacted by starting to
    play, something they hadn't done when exposed to other dog sounds.

    "Some sounds, like growls, confused the puppies. But the dog laugh
    caused sheer joy and brought down the stress levels in the shelter
    immediately."

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/

  • Blackboo
    Blackboo

    How can non-living dead matter know HOW to Evolve EMOTIONS? Do nature KNOW anything about it??

  • jefferywhat
    jefferywhat

    Emotions are just proteins blackboo, they evolve like everything else.


    You haven't realy made a point yet, your personifying evolution which is a classic creationist flaw.

    Evolution is a process, not a reason, it does not have a purpose.

    Your body even now is evolving and mutating, if that mutation gives you an advantage, it will live on, if not, its gone.

    Why do you think before large scaled travel humans in the far southern hemispheres were small and very dark and those in the far north were blonde and fair?

    Answer that and you will begin to understand how evolution works.

    Answer it not, you will stay ignorant.

  • Blackboo
    Blackboo

    Doesnt it seem that EMOTIONS and Thinking is something that is Eternal? How can it just develop out the blue? Did Nature or some off balanced connection spark our emotions?

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Man and other animals

    Our fellow creatures have feelings - so we should give them rights too

    Jeremy Rifkin
    Saturday August 16, 2003
    The Guardian


    When it comes to the ultimate test of what distinguishes humans from the other creatures, scientists have long believed that mourning for the dead represents the real divide. Other animals have no sense of their mortality and are unable to comprehend the concept of their own death. But animals, it appears, experience grief. Elephants will often stand next to their dead kin for days, in silence, occasionally touching their bodies with their trunks. Kenyan biologist Joyce Poole, who has studied African elephants for 25 years, says that elephant behaviour towards their dead "leaves me with little doubt that they experience deep emotion and have some understanding of death."

    We also know that virtually all animals play, especially when young. Anyone who has ever observed the antics of puppies, kittens or bear cubs cannot help but notice the similarities in the way they play and our own children. Recent studies in the brain chemistry of rats show that when they play, their brains release large amounts of dopamine, a neurochemical associated with pleasure and excitement in human beings.

    Noting the striking similarities in brain anatomy and chemistry of humans and other animals, Steven Siviy, a behavioural scientist at Gettysburg College in Pennsylvania, asks a question increasingly on the minds of other researchers: "If you believe in evolution by natural selection, how can you believe that feelings suddenly appeared, out of the blue, with human beings?"

    The new findings of researchers are a far cry from the conceptions espoused by orthodox science. Until very recently, scientists were still advancing the idea that most creatures behaved by sheer instinct, and that what appeared to be learned behaviour was merely genetically wired activity. Now we know that geese have to teach their goslings their migration routes. In fact, we are finding out that learning is passed on from parent to offspring far more often than not and that most animals engage in learned experience brought on by continued experimentation and trial-and-error problem-solving.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Are you suggesting that your god has feelings? Do you have any recent evidence of that??

    S

  • Blackboo
    Blackboo

    Whats does nature know about EMOTIONS?? The whole over a million years of processing is a buch hog wash. What sparked the chain? Can you get your burger and fries WITHOUT ordering it?

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Do you order trees to grow? Do you tell the sun to shine?

    S

  • Blackboo
    Blackboo

    How does the SUN KNOW how to SHINE and MOVE?

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