Why socialism will not work in America...

by zeroday 254 Replies latest jw friends

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  hillary_step

  Journey On,

  Hillary_Step.....I'm sure you are an intelligent man with well-researched valid points to support your side....but you fail because you are weakened by your hatefulness and lack of any tact whatsoever. I've got more to say to you, but I won't. You bring out the negative in people. You don't have the diplomacy required to make people think about things. You make them react to your hatefulness and

  Here we go. More whining from a blatant hypocrite. I do not issue such descriptions without reason Journey On.

  I challenge you. Go back to the first page of this thread and see just WHO cast the first 'name-calling' stones. Why yes! Suprise, suprise, it was yourself and Burn The Ships who directed such comments at my good self. I merely bloodied both your noses for doing so, and now you both whine like pathetic little children.

  Grow up the both of you. Next time you cast stones, make sure your house is not made of glass. Take responsibility for your own words and actions.

  HS
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  sammielee24

  A sister nation? No, a sovereign nation. Defended by the United States? Tell me when was the last time Canada was defended by the United States in a war that threatened its sovereignty? I remember the American Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 where the government of the United States forcefully tried to coerce Canada into joining it. As far as I can tell from the history books, the only ever immediate true threat to it's sovereignty has been the United States, (including those crazy Fenian Raids of Disillusioned Irish ex-Confederates along the Niagara River). Now the international bankers are trying to merge the currencies and governments of North

  Thank you Min..thank you..thank you. I am married to an Americand and have had so many discussions about this I can't recount them. They are not all taught about the Canadians here, nor do many have any concept of what Canada is, our accomplishments or the importance they play on the world stage. On a trip to Canada with my American husband, he was amazed that Canada was so far advanced lol. I've had to start giving some history courses here for theme...broaden their perspective a bit. sammieswife.
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  sammielee24

  Only sovereign because we allow you to be in order to humor you. Your entire system is thoroughly dependent on our own. You are joined at the hip-no the head-to us and you know it. We could break you up into the next 20 states of the Union if we liked. It would probably do you good and give you a chance to drive south for cheap liquor for those long cold winters without having to show a passport. This whole post is evidence of the Canadian inferiority complex

  Someone asked why people wish to immigrate to the USA - the above answer is why so many want to leave. The arrogance of believing you can and might possibly invade another country just because you want to, can only come from a deep sense of envy and a need to assert yourself by being the biggest bully in the schoolyard. Canada is in fact still part of the British Empire although separate from it with it's own charter of rights and freedoms - it would be interesting to see what would happen, should the USA ever try an invasion for the purpose of taking over Canada. We have no doubt that the rest of the world would rally round, including the British, Australia and French military if needed, and decimate the US forces in no time - Canada is beloved for her peace keeping and sense of honor and fairness around the world. The smart people at the top in the USA know that - and that's one reason why they are trying to combine the 3 countries in such a quiet underhanded way with the North American Union agreement. sammieswife.
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  sammielee24

  Sammieleeswife

  I understand your points regarding the poor and disadvantaged enlisting. What I don't understand is, if this is so, and there

  is a disproportionate number, what do you propose? These young men and women from these poorer backgrounds perhaps

  see a means to pull themselves out of their poverty-stricken situation and develop a career, get an education, and at the same

  time serve their country. I don't get what is wrong with that? Are you proposing that we not allow them to enlist because they

  somehow are being taken advantage of? I don't see it that way. It's an opportunity....a risk perhaps.....but perhaps a calculated one

  Bribing a person with money so that they will be willing to die for a cause and effectively aiming at the disadvantaged is morally reprehensible - to me. The message that you send by this method is one full of prejudice and bias - it enforces the class structure in the country by promises of a 'better life' by cash/bonuses/education to those at the bottom if they sign a contract to fight and die. It reminds me of the cash for organs....the poor will sell their organs in order to survive or at the very least get some money in the hopes that it will provide them an opportunity-as step up. Who buys the organs? The less value we put on a person, the less we see them as equal, the more it speaks of who we are. sammieswife.
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  sammielee24

  IMHO, military should be about self defense, and not used to intimidate other nations and control resources. This is the biggest difference between the Canadian and American armies and why Canadians are loved around the world and Americans are hated.

  That is the major difference. I have a nephew in the armed forces in Canada - he's just retired now after 25 years and he joined right after high schoo. It did provide him with some great opportunities to learn and to travel - he trained further in search and rescue so it he can carry on with a job in the private sector. The difference is that he knew that his part in the military as a Canadian force, was that of peace keeping and not one of aggression and invasion and that was in line with what he believed in. sammieswife.
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  BurnTheShips

  Ever changing goal-posts, the mark of a weak mind, Burn The Ships.

  Journey-on is not my sidekick. We just happen to agree on some things. And it is not a changing goal post. It is constructive criticism.

  I've read a lot of you older posts HS. You were a real force for good. Even if we disagree on politics and religion. I do not know why you have changed in these other areas. I suspect in real life you are a far more charitable and pleasant person than you online persona would indicate. You are clearly extremely intelligent and have a wide knowledge. I suspect that if I knew you in the flesh we would become fast friends. I know that I myself have been a bit of an asshole on this board. I think this board brings out the worst in you too. Here are a few samples of the old HS. Do you think he will ever return?

  Sarcasm and personal insult, are really very cheap debating tools and do not win arguments, they actually divert them. Your frequent descent into their use undermines the essence of your own claim, that is, that you worship a God of Love, who you might recall is displeased even if a 'rotten expression' excudes from the lips of one of his followers....remember?
  
  A little more gentleness will buy a lot more understanding.
  
  Kind regards - HS
  
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/12353/148191/post.ashx#148191
  
  
  Words can hurt. Many of our more sensitive/lurkers and posters have been driven from this Board by the power of words. We must choose our words carefully and responsibly if we do not wish to share in bringing pain to others, whether that be your pain or Robert's
  
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/12547/150629/post.ashx#150629
  
  
  It is the act of the intellectual coward to attack the person rather than the argument. If Ray Franz did all of which he was scurrilously accused of, it matters not one jot. What is important is, were his arguments valid? Only by examining them, can one make an estimation of this question. That is what the WTS does not want and cannot afford to have happen, therefore slander the man and his arguments become slandered with him.
  
  Not even subtle, Goebells did it much more professionally.
  
  HS
  
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/10870/131235/post.ashx#131235

  I am going to try to take that man's advice.

  Sincerely,

  BurnTheShips, and DamnTheTorpedoes.
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  hillary_step

  Burn,

  You have, deceitfully as ever, cherry-picked my posts. This sort of behavior is to be expected from a person who has made hypocrisy an integral part fo their 'Christian' nature. The thread that you quoted was directed at another Christian hypocrite. Let me explain.

  The person to whom I was writing was a JW apologist Robert King, who was later disfellowshipped for apostasy, an event I predicted on numerous occasions and which he reacted angrily about. Though like yourself, claiming to represent the higher Christian moral ground, he was also like yourself a hypocrite who bullied those weaker than himself, and like yourself thought nothing of attacking people without provocation.

  The difference between Robert King and yourself and Journey On for example, is that he was not dishonest intellectually. So, let me assure you that I still hold to the notions that you pasted with those who deserve them. No change in goal-posts at all. I notice that you leave out the moments when I shredded 'You Know' as Robert King was known as on this Board, as this does not fit into your little scheme, does it?

  Let me just clue you in on my standards on this Board, standards that never change.

  Those who attack my posts without provocation will, if I am in the mood, not escape. As I have noted on numerous occasions, ad hominem in my book is not a logical fallacy when used against arrogant religious fundamentalists or semi-fundamentalists like yourself, who are not open to reason and who involve themselves in threads they have no interest in learning from. Imo they deserve everything they get. There is no point debating fools, and the ad hominem avenue is an well-used road for such ones.

  Now, I would ask little Pop-Tart and Journey On, that you stop following me around this Board like a pair of attack gnats and spend a little more time in an honest self-analysis as to whether your behavior actually reflects well where your 'savior' is concerned. Merry Magdalene seems to have much more about her religiously than do you two.

  Hope that this puts to rest all your concerns, and also convinces you that your career as a discussion board detective is not one with much hope attached.

  HS
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  BurnTheShips

  Those who attack my posts without provocation will, if I am in the mood, not escape. As I have noted on numerous occasions, ad hominem in my book is not a logical fallacy when used against arrogant religious fundamentalists or semi-fundamentalists like yourself, who are not open to reason and who involve themselves in threads they have no interest in learning from. Imo they deserve everything they get. There is no point debating fools, and the ad hominem avenue is an well-used road for such ones.

  Just what makes you think you are the ulimate arbiter about reason? I disagree with you therefore I am unreasonable and closed minded?

  Judge, jury and executioner.

  You seem beyond hope HS.

  Burn
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  hillary_step

  Burn,

  You seem beyond hope HS.

  Judging personalities from discussion Boards is a thankless task, but you are welcome to carry on the tradition.

  Just what makes you think you are the ulimate arbiter about reason? I disagree with you therefore I am unreasonable and closed minded?

  There are posters on this Board who have vehmently disagreed with me, Abbadon, and Funky Derek for example, yet we remain good online 'friends'. There are others that I have disagreed with like Alan Fuerbacher, who are both online and offline friends.

  The reason I disagree with some of what you post is that what you post is incorrect, yet you post it in a definitive manner, not allowing for error. I evidence this with your Hitler statement on this thread directed at Flying High in which you were very definite, and very definately wrong. I did note your aquiesence later on in the thread, given however after I bought this to your notice publicly. It is better though than your usual reaction, which is where most of the friction is generated.

  May I ask you, have you posted on this Board under a different account at any time? I have had a number of posters PM me and suggest this. I am not terribly good at catching this sort of thing, but as a Christian I feel quite sure you would not tell me a lie. ;)

  I also asked this of Brother Apostate a number of times, a person I am quite sure was once someody else on this Board but he refrained from answering.

  You Christians, honestly! You all need your bottoms spanked. ;)

  HS
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  frankiespeakin

  HS,

  I know you mean no harm women are just more sensitive than us guys, anyways I should be the one to talk, I'm always in the dog house for things i say but i'm used to it and have just the remedy when one gets mad i go spend time with somebody else, just kinda go back and forth here and there with the flow,, has its perks.