Opinion peice on Athiests

by SickofLies 203 Replies latest jw friends

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    Good catch, WLG.

    I'm beginning to think BTS is just a good old-fashioned yanker-of-the-chain.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Hi WLG.

    If you like Alex Grey, you'll love this site. I first encountered the art from Tool album art some years ago.

    Personally I like it and my beliefs run along the same lines, basically that we are all the same thing, connected yet with the illusion of being seperate. The same guy who designed your avatar does his work while under the influence or immediately after ingesting salvia divinorium, a hallucinagen used by shamens for elightenment. Salvia trips usually include some visions like your avatar, your body turns into eyes, which supposedly symbolize the "eyes" we have through our nerves in our body, which can be trained to feel even more than the tiny sensations we all are used to as kids.

    If what you say you beleive is true, it is an interesting paradox and I wonder how you reconcile the two.

    Salvia. Beautiful.... beautiful. And legal in Florida!

    Salvia trips don't last long, which is great for a beginner.

    It seems to me that all the great truths are paradoxical on lower levels.

    Cheers,

    Burn.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    I'm beginning to think BTS is just a good old-fashioned yanker-of-the-chain.

    You just have a hard time categorizing me.

    Cheers.

    Burn

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk
    I'm beginning to think BTS is just a good old-fashioned yanker-of-the-chain.

    You just have a hard time categorizing me.

    Cheers.

    Burn

    Or maybe you can't be "figured out" because you're still figuring it out for yourself, like most of us are.

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    Myelaine,

    An inch is a universal measurement of distance agreed upon by humans around the world in order to make life easier. It is very obviously a human concept and is relative.

    You claim 666 is a number from a higher power, not a relative human concept.

    As I said with the Adam and Eve example - we know what the names represent, but it does not mean those humans existed. It's an old concept and theory. I accept that. I also accept it about 666. It represents the concept of 'evil' because the number is found in a book considered holy which associates it with 'evil'. But it does not actually make the number truly evil.

    Another example: the number 42. Does this represent anything? According to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, it represents the meaning of life, the universe and everything. That's what it's associated with. But is it truly the answer to the meaning of life? It would be hard to make that leap based on it being written in a book. But that's exactly what you've done with 666.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Tool - Lateralus Lyrics

    Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
    red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
    lets me see.
    As we loathe, so above and beyond, I imagine
    drawn beyond the lines of reason.
    Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

    Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
    Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
    Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

    Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
    red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
    lets me see there is so much more
    and beckons me to look through to these infinite possibilities.
    As we loathe, so above and beyond, I imagine
    drawn outside the lines of reason.
    Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

    Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
    Withering my intuition leaving opportunities behind.

    Feed my will to feel this moment urging me to cross the line.
    Reaching out to embrace the random.
    Reaching out to embrace whatever may come.

    I embrace my desire to
    feel the rhythm, to feel connected
    enough to step aside and weep like a widow
    to feel inspired, to fathom the power,
    to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain,
    to swing on the spiral
    of our divinity and still be a human.

    With my feet upon the ground I lose myself
    between the sounds and open wide to suck it in.
    I feel it move across my skin.
    I'm reaching up and reaching out.
    I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
    And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
    We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

    Spiral out. Keep going...

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=EDlC7oG_2W4

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    According to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, it represents the meaning of life, the universe and everything.

    And if some of your recent posts are to be accepted at face value, there is a possibility of 1 that there is a universe out there where this is true! I hear Frankie and Benjy are still looking.

    Burn

  • wanderlustguy
    wanderlustguy

    My favorite right now...

    Right in two

    Angels on the sideline,
    Puzzled and amused.
    Why did Father give these humans free will?
    Now they're all confused.

    Don't these talking monkeys know that
    Eden has enough to go around?
    Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys,
    Where there's one you're bound to divide it.
    Right in two.

    Angels on the sideline,
    Baffled and confused.
    Father blessed them all with reason.
    And this is what they choose.
    And this is what they choose...

    Monkey killing monkey killing monkey
    Over pieces of the ground.
    Silly monkeys give them thumbs,
    They forge a blade,
    And where there's one
    they're bound to divide it,
    Right in two.
    Right in two.

    Monkey killing monkey killing monkey.
    Over pieces of the ground.
    Silly monkeys give them thumbs.
    They make a club.
    [Right In Two lyrics on http://www.metrolyrics.com]

    And beat their brother, down.
    How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

    Repugnant is a creature who would squander
    the ability to lift an eye to heaven,
    conscious of his fleeting time here.

    Cut it all right in two
    Cut it all right in two
    Cut it all right in two
    Cut it all right in two

    Fight over the clouds, over earth, over canyon
    They fight for our love, for our blood, over heaven,
    Fight over love, over sun,
    over nothing, they fight till they die,
    and for what? For their lives ending.

    Angels on the sideline again.
    Benched along with patience and reason.
    Angels on the sideline again
    Wondering when this tug of war will end.

    Cut it all right in two
    Cut it all right in two
    Cut it all right in two

    RIGHT IN TWO!

    Right in two...

  • myelaine
    myelaine

    dear serotonin_wraith...

    "You claim 666 is a number from a higher power, not a relative human concept."...

    did I claim that? at one time some people took numbers and used them as tools to get "measurements" to better understand their worldview. these "measurements" are now "fixed".

    ...but does an "inch" really measure an "inch" or a "wassel and a half"?

    love michelle

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    Yep, an inch is relative, as I said.

    You wrote this:

    greater minds than ours came up with Biblical Numerics...

    Then I asked

    If you're saying the numbers were from God... proof please.

    If you're saying they came from humans... no argument from me

    So I'm still not sure where you think the number came from. I can continue once I know.

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