The God Delusion

by Peppermint 103 Replies latest jw friends

  • TopHat

    Not hardly. In the long evolution thread, I gave several examples of atavisms, or throwbacks, which are impossible to explain in terms of a Supremely Intelligent Designer. No one has disputed them.


    Perhaps they would dispute IF you stopped calling them Ignorant and took into account their counter dispute. NOOOO you have to be right and they have to wrong. Who wants argue? Not me!

  • AlanF

    : Perhaps they would dispute IF you stopped calling them Ignorant and took into account their counter dispute.

    Perhaps they would not be called ignorant if they actually set forth arguments rather than simple dismissals. Try it. You might like it.


  • acsot

    TopHat, copy-pasting an url from Answers in Genesis only proves you don't understand evolution nor do you understand science. AiG is not a peer-reviewed, scientific website. It doesn't even have links to museums, universities, or other scientific sites. I guess you must agree with its Statement of Faith, and if you don't, why use it as an authority? (I've italicized and bolded some statements which I found to be particularly, uh, interesting). Except for the part about God being a trinity, you might as well return to the Kingdom Hall if you're going to accept Answers in Genesis as the basis for your understanding of anything.

    "Summary of the AiG Statement of Faith

    For a slightly more detailed copy of the Statement of Faith, please make your request in writing.


    The scientific aspects of creation are important, but are secondary in importance to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    The doctrines of Creator and Creation cannot ultimately be divorced from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    (B) BASICS

    The 66 books of the Bible are the written Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs. It is the supreme authority in everything it teaches.

    The final guide to the interpretation of Scripture is Scripture itself.

    The account of origins presented in Genesis is a simple but factual presentation of actual events and therefore provides a reliable framework for scientific research into the question of the origin and history of life, mankind, the Earth and the universe.

    The various original life forms (kinds), including mankind, were made by direct creative acts of God. The living descendants of any of the original kinds (apart from man) may represent more than one species today, reflecting the genetic potential within the original kind. Only limited biological changes (including mutational deterioration) have occurred naturally within each kind since Creation.

    The great Flood of Genesis was an actual historic event, worldwide (global) in its extent and effect.

    The special creation of Adam (the first man) and Eve (the first woman), and their subsequent fall into sin, is the basis for the necessity of salvation for mankind.

    Death (both physical and spiritual) and bloodshed entered into this world subsequent to and as a direct consequence of man’s sin.


    The Godhead is triune: one God, three Persons—God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

    All mankind are sinners, inherently from Adam and individually (by choice) and are therefore subject to God’s wrath and condemnation.

    Freedom from the penalty and power of sin is available to man only through the sacrificial death and shed blood of Jesus Christ, and His complete and bodily Resurrection from the dead.

    The Holy Spirit enables the sinner to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.

    The Holy Spirit lives and works in each believer to produce the fruits of righteousness.

    Salvation is a gift received by faith alone in Christ alone and expressed in the individual’s repentance, recognition of the death of Christ as full payment for sin, and acceptance of the risen Christ as Saviour, Lord and God.

    All things necessary for our salvation are either expressly set down in Scripture or may be deduced by good and necessary consequence from Scripture.

    Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.

    Jesus Christ rose bodily from the dead, ascended to Heaven, and is currently seated at the right hand of God the Father, and shall return in person to this Earth as Judge of the living and the dead.

    Satan is the personal spiritual adversary of both God and man.

    Those who do not believe in Christ are subject to everlasting conscious punishment, but believers enjoy eternal life with God.

    The only legitimate marriage is the joining of one man and one woman. God has commanded that no intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of marriage.


    Scripture teaches a recent origin for man and the whole creation.

    The days in Genesis do not correspond to geologic ages, but are six [6] consecutive twenty-four [24] hour days of Creation.

    The Noachian Flood was a significant geological event and much (but not all) fossiliferous sediment originated at that time.

    The ‘gap’ theory has no basis in Scripture.

    The view, commonly used to evade the implications or the authority of Biblical teaching, that knowledge and/or truth may be divided into ‘secular’ and ‘religious,’ is rejected.

    No apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record."

  • stevenyc

    ascot, you bring up an important point. Sites like the one mentioned tackle these arguments in complete reverse to science.

    Science always tries to prove itself wrong. Science will observe and test to find an answer. Then, will try to break that answer.

    Fundies will have an answer and THEN try to squeeze reality to fit that answer.


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