Were dinosaurs part of a pre-Adamic "paradise"?

by M.J. 33 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • M.J.

    The WTS seems to affirm a lot that Adam's blunder really screwed up the earth, and that the earth was not meant to be this place full of killing, disease, death, pain, etc.

    But according to the WTS version of the story, did God create the earth with these types of features before Adam even came on the scene? The WTS does not deny the existance of dinosaurs, who in their words were created prior to mankind during the 5th or 6th symbolic day-ages.

    Yet its clear from fossilized remains that dinosaurs killed each other, had a high mortality rate, often died young, suffered from disease such as cancerous tumors:

    First Dinosaur Brain Tumor Found:


    tyrannosaur species experienced high mortality rates as infants and young adults, with just a choice few surviving to maturity: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13844195/

    Cancer in dinosaurs and illnesses in other animals are being studied in a groundbreaking new program that combines medical school with the study of natural history:


    T-Rex suffers from gout: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg15420831.000.html

    Does any of this fit the description of a "paradise earth"? It just doesn't fit the simple image the WTS paints about how the earth will be "restored to wonderful conditions".

  • hambeak

    According to WTS teachings only the garden of Eden was a paradise remember an angel drove Adam and Eve out of Eden for their sin.


  • Quandry

    Yes, that is the question. I was once over at a sister's house and was talking with her little girl, around eleven or twelve, same age as my daughter. For some reason I can't remember, I made mention of saber-toothed tigers. It could have been in connection with the La Brea tar pits in Los Angeles.

    Anyway, I mentioned the skulls of saber-toothed tigers they found with the teeth imbeded in its victim's head. Also, I was talking about the fantastic size of T Rex teeth. The mother looked horrified and then immediately said to her daughter, "Of course, none of these animals ate meat because this was before the flood." I did not say anything but was so shocked.

    What did the saber-toothed tiger do-mistake the mammoth for a giant vegetable?

  • M.J.

    Interestingly, fundamentalist interpreters of Genesis attack the theistic evolutionists and progressive creationists (like the WTS) on these grounds.


    Here's a quote:

    Anyone who has had a loved one suffer and die from a brain tumour would know that such a horrible thing could never be called ‘ very good ’ by a loving God. It only makes sense if viewed in the light of the fact that the original world which God described as ‘ very good ’ ( Genesis 1:31 ) is now cursed and fallen. In other words, such things came about due to Adam’s sin.

    But if long-age compromises (e.g. theistic evolution and its stablemate, progressive creation) are to be believed, the creatures represented in the fossil record, including dinosaurs, were not buried in a global Flood at the time of Noah. Instead, they lived long before man, and hence before sin. When one considers that fossils exhibit not just death, but also signs of violence, bloodshed and disease, we see how such compromises impugn the character of God and undermine the Bible’s history of a good world ruined by sin.

    and this one: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c009.html

    There are many inconsistencies in the theory of Progressive Creation. According to many conservative theologians, the most dangerous of its teachings is the proposal that Adam and Eve were created after the majority of earth's history had already taken place, including eons of death among the animals. Their timeline includes millions of years of major disasters befalling the animals before Adam or sin, including disease, famines, volcanic destruction, hurricanes, tornadoes, asteroid impacts, supernovas etc. As a result, animals frequently became extinct, never to be seen by man. The belief that death existed prior to the fall undermines the Bible's clear teaching that death is a result of sin (I Corinthians 15:21-22; Romans 5:12). Any theory which places man or animal death prior to the fall of Adam must be rejected.
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  • DanTheMan

    All that gout and cancer were more than balanced-out by the humongous craps that they got to take....AHHHHHHHHH

  • Hellrider

    I asked my mother about the dinosaurs when I was a teenager, and why they weren`t mentioned in the Bible, on what "day" they were created, etc, why they were created, only to die out, etc. She only answered the latter part of the question, I believe her explanation was that "maybe God created them and let them die out to salt the earth". I thought that was very strange. But knowing my mother, I wonder if that was ever said in a WT or Awake. Does anyone know what the WTS has spewed out regarding the dinosaurs? Or have they just been quiet about them?

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  • freetosee

    With the movie 'Jurassic Park III' just around the corner, what a wonderful time to order this God-honoring publication and not only teach children the truth about dinosaurs and the history of the world, but teach them the Gospel message based in true history.

    You can listen to a 7,53 min explanation to this question by the author: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/0419new_prod.asp

  • jayhawk1

    I was told once by a christian fundamentalist (not JW) that the Bible does not mention dinosaurs, so therefore they never existed. I asked her what she thought of museums that had dinosaur bones on display. She said they all looked fake to her and it was just one big conspiracy. She was 100% serious too.

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