How Jehovah's Witnesses are told to treat disfellowshipped Relatives.

by jwfacts 35 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    In another thread it was mentioned the Witnesses do not shun disfellowshipped relatives, so I thought I would copy a few articles that show the Watchtower says quite definitely that they are to almost totally shun relatives, along with some examples that I know personally.

    I personally know many that have not been contacted by their parents for years;

    • My cousin was my best friend, and for a year before my disfellowshipping week after week I spent hours with her and her child, who spent 4 months of his first year in hospital. On the day of my disfellowshipping I was informed that I am no longer welcome there, and I have not seen my second cousin for 6 months now. I helped him with his first steps. but will not get to hear his first words.
    • A girl on this site was disfellowshipped at 16. She did not hear about her sisters wedding until 2 years after it happened
    • A friend of mine was shunned almost totally from the age of 19, for 20 years now. He has a great business, wife and three kids, is happy and well off. One day the elder father turned up at his sons door begging forgiveness for how he had treated his son, and tried to get the mother and sisters to speak to him as well. Two months later the father died. At the funeral the sister came up to him and said that Satan is testing her, as her family is broke and the husband and all three children are Bi-polar. She then told him that the only reason he has a good life is because Satan is blessing him.
    • Another family I grew up with has not spoken for over 20 years to their son, since he too was a teenager. The only contact they will have with him is getting the non JW grandmother to pass on messages.
    • Another friend was disfellowshipped three years ago. The elder father has not spoke to her since, and only once to her non Witness husband and then did not even ask about his daughter. You can imagine what the husband thinks about the "cult" as he calls it. The mother secretly calls her daughter as she has been forbidden to by her husband
    • Another friend was recently disfellowshipped and ended up in a mental ward after two failed attempts at suicide. This seems quite normal during the ordeal a person goes through in the process of leaving the organisation. He found out from a non witness friend of a friend that his mother is moving to another city.

    Are they isolated cases? No, they are the norm. They are how JWs act because the following articles quoted show that is what "God's Organization" demands, at the threat of being disfellowshipping if not followed.

    Watchtower 1988 April 15 p27 What About Relatives?
    13 Cutting off from the Christian congregation does not involve immediate death, so family ties continue. Thus, a man who is disfellowshipped or who disassociates himself may still live at home with his Christian wife and faithful children....14 The situation is different if the disfellowshipped or disassociated one is a relative living outside the immediate family circle and home. It might be possible to have almost no contact at all with the relative. Even if there were some family matters requiring contact, this certainly would be kept to a minimum, in line with the divine principle: “Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person [or guilty of another gross sin], . . . not even eating with such a man.”—1 Corinthians 5:11 15 Understandably, this may be difficult because of emotions and family ties, such as grandparents’ love for their grandchildren. Yet, this is a test of loyalty to God, as stated by the sister quoted on page 26. Anyone who is feeling the sadness and pain that the disfellowshipped relative has thus caused may find comfort and be encouraged by the example set by some of Korah’s relatives.—Psalm 84:10-12.”

    An interesting choice of scripture to include at the end, Psalm 84 says “a day in Jehovah’s courtyard is worth a thousand elsewhere”, possibly the intention is to imply that you don’t need family when you have God.

    Watchtower 1963 July 15 p.444 Family Responsibilities in Keeping Jehovah’s Worship Pure
    “The wrongdoer has to realize that his status is completely changed, that his faithful Christian relatives thoroughly disapprove of his wicked course and show this disapproval by limiting contacts to only those which are unavoidable. ...Permitting the transacting of necessary business with relatives who are disfellowshiped should be viewed as the exception ...We should not see how close we can get to relatives who are disfellowshiped from Jehovah’s organization, but we should “quit mixing in company” with them….

    Kingdom Ministry 8/02 p.3 Display Christian Loyalty When a Relative Is Disfellowshipped
    “The fact is that when a Christian gives himself over to sin and has to be disfellowshiped, he forfeits much: his approved standing with God; . . . sweet fellowship with the brothers, including much of the association he had with Christian relatives.”…
    13 After hearing a talk at a circuit assembly, a brother and his fleshly sister realized that they needed to make adjustments in the way they treated their mother, who lived elsewhere and who had been disfellowshipped for six years. Immediately after the assembly, the man called his mother, and after assuring her of their love, he explained that they could no longer talk to her unless there were important family matters requiring contact.

    Shockingly, a relative can be disfellowshipped for associating with a disfellowshipped person!

    Pay attention to yourselves and all the flock p.103
    “Normally, a close relative would not be disfellowshipped for associating with a disfellowshipped person unless there is spiritual association or an effort made to justify or excuse the wrongful course.”

  • blondie
    blondie

    jwfacts, what you print is so sad but does show that some JWs go against the official directive and contact family members risking difficult times for themselves.

    I find this is one area where the WTS talks about of both sides of its mouth and the elders unequally apply the directive. I know of 4 elders who have regular contact with DF'd children. When other elders were told, they said they knew it they would not pursue it and if we the rank and file pushed it, we would get in trouble.

    The individual JWs are so frightened (not knowing the exceptions elders make for each other) that they not only shun family but stomp on their hearts in cruel fashions.

    In other cases JW relatives/friends are just nasty people who now have a knife to "with God's approval" twist in the back of others.

    This is policy is unevenly and unfairly applied proving it does not originate with God or have his backing.

    My husband said yesterday that DFing ended, the WTS would fall apart because it's the only way it can control people, through fear and hate, not the love Jesus said would identify his followers.

    Blondie (not DF'd or DA'd but shunned anyways)

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    My two favorite Witness doctrines are blood guilt and family merit.

    I once told a Witness relative that was shunning me: "You're wasting your time." He said "How's that?" I said: "You're gonna die at Armageddon." He said: "Why's that?" I said: "Because you're blood guilty." He said: "How's that?"

    I said: "Because you stumbled me. You're the reason I'm not a Witness."

    If ya want to take away a Jehovah's Witness's hope of the paradise, be sure they know they are blood guilty. Oh, and tell them their kids are gonna die too because they can't benefit from family merit because of the parent's sin of stumbling.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    I didn't know that you are still a sister blondie, lucky you. I often wonder about your husbands comment. For the JWs to survive long term they need to go mainstream, which means accepting blood and ceasing active use of disfellowshipping. But then as you say, to get rid of disfellowshipping could equally hasten their demise, as many only go so as not to be shunned, and many only return so that family will speak to them.

    I am very interested in hearing other peoples experiences, both good and bad.

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    Gary that is brilliant.

    They don't realize this do they.

    wp

  • blondie
    blondie
    I didn't know that you are still a sister blondie, lucky you.



    That interpretation is up for grabs. I haven't been to a meeting for almost 5 years and have not turned in time for a little longer; no conventions/assemblies/memorials/funerals/or weddings attended either.

    Many JWs would not consider me a JW. Most don't. My family shunned me when I was a JW in good standing......they're a little dysfunctional that way...they shun several JWs too including elders and COs. Their standards are higher than the WTS.

    I'm surprised you didn't know this about my background, jwfacts. I don't hide my status. So, if any JWs think I am still "one of them" they think I am on slippery ground, not "in the ark" as this last Sunday's study article pointed out.

    Blondie

    PS I don't think just because I'm neither DF'd nor have I DA'd myself (yet) that I am still a JW.

  • puck
    puck

    i have heard that the disfellowshipping policy has changed to some small degree... i may be entirely wrong, seeing as how i've been out for about eight years now, but i heard that they no longer use the term "brother or sister so-and-so has been disfellowshipped". i hear that now brother or sister so-and-so is "no longer one of jehovah's witnesses". is this correct? and, if so, does anyone know why the change? does it really make much of a difference either way, as you'd still be shunned? just wondering...

  • blondie
    blondie

    Puck, you are right about the change in wording. It is a legal move...

    The WTS has made several adjustments over the years. They used to mention the specific "crime" the person was DF'd for. They also used to mention they were on "restrictions" when publicly reproved or reinstated. They dropped that too due to legal concerns.

    Blondie

  • puck
    puck

    thanks, blondie. too bad that wasn't the case when i was reproved -- would have saved me some small bit of embarassment, at any rate.

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    My husband said yesterday that DFing ended, the WTS would fall apart because it's the only way it can control people, through fear and hate, not the love Jesus said would identify his followers

    You know Blondie I loved that husband of yours from the first time I met him HE IS RIGHT ON!!!!

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