"Waiter - take this carrot away and give it to a rabbit. Then bring me the rabbit..."
God! i really got to you didnt i?
LOL. In your dreams you sad little carrot-cruncher. I just think you're absurd - that's hardly getting to me is it?
u throw in a couple of big words and u think ur the dogs bollox ;)
I think the question really is who do you think you are?
there is action and reaction in this world mate ;)
I quiver before your profundity
and for every bad action there has to be a bad reaction ;)
And what about YOUR bad actions? You've casually condemned millions to hell. BAD Karma man. In comparison the 'sin' of enjoying seared dead pig in its own skin is a minor one.
now listen here and carry on copying and pasting as u do......
MILLIONS OF ANIMALS BEING SLAUGHTERED EVERYDAY CREATES ENOUGH BAD KARMA FOR ALL THE RAPES AND MURDERS AND TORTURES U SEE HAPPENING EACH DAY..........
Why? Just because you say 'animals dying is bad' doesn't mean it is bad. Where are you when the hawk eats the dove? The spider the fly? The wolf the deer? Where are you when a pack of Cape Hunting Dogs pull down a gnu and start eating before it's fully dead? When a fox goes on a killing spree in a coop? Sat on your sad hypocritical bottom judging your fellow man for doing what it is natural for omnivores to do.
the holiest man to step foot on this earth srila prabhupada said that if the world turned vegetarian tomorrow the 90% of bad karma would be wiped out and the world would almost be at peace.....
And why is that MORE true than 'a rack of lamb well cooked and seasoned is a delight to the palate'?
also eating meat causes aggresion....
LOL. Yes, there was a sad old man in England who spent most of his life trudging up and down London's biggest shopping street with a sandwich board proclaiming ALL meat and most other forms of protein were wrong and caused lust and cancer. If you're on the Hare patrol on Oxford Street you may well have seen him. Had even less converts as the Hares do. Of course, he didn;t have an internal power struggle which showed very clearly how flawed and wrong Krishna-ism is - making it just like every other religion. I think he died of cancer, now I come to think about it. Go figure; at least there''s an open vacancy for a street-corner nut-job you can fill.
now let me see? which is the only major country in the world to never have gone to war? hmmm india oooooh i wonder why.....vegetarian.......they cant kill animals so they wouldnt kill men......peaceful...
You lie or are so unbelievably ignorant as to defy belief. India has both been to war and had internal wars, even before the colonial era. Your little fantasy is built on bullshit or deceit. You have chip on your shoulder about 'big words' and 'good education'. As you know naif-all about something you're preaching about I'm not surprised you feel inadequate. You show why education is a good thing; even for you.
and if ur ignorant as to ignore the oldest nation on earth
No it isn't, and you already shown you know nothing about it. Oh, any comment on how suttee, child-brides, arranged marriages or the caste system somehow fit in with your simplistic vegetarian = good viewpoint?
then feed on these quotes from 2 famous vegetarians: "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet" - ALBERT EINSTEIN
"I have from an early age abjured the use of meat, and the time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look upon the murder of men." - LEONARDO DA VINCI
............SO SUCK ON THAT ****HEAD hehe......
What about this quote from a famous vegetarian;
"Let's kill all the Jews" - ADOLF HITLER
So geniuses and mass-murdering fascist monsters can be veggies. Way to go at not proving a point.
also ur showing ur own ignorance when u think vegetarianism is inferior.....lets see again....the 3 oldest living tribes in the world...all live over 100 years old on average and all are vegetarian.....
As you've either lied or demonstrated a stellar level of ignorance about something you are preaching about, please provide quotations
hmm the biggest meat eating people in the world INUITS and oh they live an average life expectancy of 40 years old.....
And? What about the fact it is rising rapidly due to modern medicine even in communities that retain traditional diet? Which shows it's not the diet... and who said ANYTHING about humans being carnivores? A carnivore diet for a human is as unbalanced as a vegetarian one. We evolved for an omnivorous diet.
but no humans are omivores yes ur very right cuz the human body sustains itself 30 years longer with a vegetarian diet but no ur right we were meant to eat meat! BULLCRAP.....even the scandavians life expectancy went up during the war when meat was unavailable for years AND WENT BACK DOWN WHEN MEAT WAS AVAILABEL AGAIN AFTER THE WAR.....oh the oldest living person in the world.....was a vegetarian hehe i hope ur enjoying this? WE CAN DIGEST CARDBOARD DOES THAT MEAN WE SHOULD EAT CARDBOARD? HUH HUH HUH? LOL just cuz weve evolved to eat meat doesnt mean we are designed to and should?! now lets see
1. a carnivore has claws a herbivore doesnt WE DONT
Dentition; omnivorous. We didn't ever evolve claws for hunting as we invented weapons. Chimps don't have claws but are happy omnivores.
2. a carniviore has no pores in skin a herbivore does WE DO
You're really telling me you think carnivores don't have apocrine glands or eccrine glands? And where did I say humans were carnivore; please try to actually respond to what I've said rather than attacking some fictitious argument I never made.
3.a carnivore has sharp pointed front teeth a herbivore doesnt WE DONT
No, we have sharp incisors for cutting, pointed canines for tearing, and molars for crushing and grinding. Our teeth allow us to eat virtually anything, from steak to strawberries, with ease.
4. a carnivore has small salivary gland a herbivore has well developed salivary glands SO DO WE. 5. a carnivore has acid saliva a herbivore has alkaline saliva SO DO WE 6. a carnivore has strong HCL acid in its stmoach a herbivore has 20 times less the strength SO DO WE 7. a carnivore has an intestinal tract 3 times the length of its body a herbivore has an intestinal tract several times its body length SO DO WE 8. a carnivore laps up water a herbivore suck water SO DO WE
But humans aren't carnivores; they're omnivores. Are you simple or something? I've not said we're herbivores or carnivores. I've said we're omnivores. Why the herbivore/carnivore comparisons?
9. a carnivore salivates at the site of a blood dead carvas sticks its nose in and eat raw flesh HUMANS WOULD BE SICK AT THE SIGHT OF A DEAD BLOOD CARCASS........
You maybe. I love to go to the butcher. It smells great. Dead hunks of animal hanging everywhere, really makes me salivate.
10. 100% of carnivores or omnivors if ur being picky can kill prey (natural predators) LESS THAN 1% OF HUMANS HAVE IT IN THEM TO KILL AN ANIMAL AND THE FACT WE NEED KNIVES AND GUNS TO DO IT SHOWS ITS NOT FLIPPIN NATURAL AND WE WERENT DESIGNED TO KILL ANIMALS RATHER WE HAVE OPPOSEABLE THUMBS TO PICK APPLES FROM TREES!
LOL. So how come animals without opposable thumbs eat apples? What a knob head!
Humans WANTED to eat meat so much, LIKED to eat meat so much, they overcame their physiology with their big brains and made weapons. It's one of the first things modern humans and their ancestors did.
We liked eating meat so much that you can track extinctions of large land animals around the world as humans spread around the world. In prehistoric times, men hunted. We have physiological differences and psychological difference between men and women caused by Milena of hunting; men are stronger, their hip geometry will always mean they can. on average, run faster, their shoulder joint geometry means they'll always throw, on average, better and harder than a woman; their brains are more specialised in their perception of 3D so their aim is better too. Women have equally great adaptations for their typical role during the evolution of man. There's a strong school of thought that meat eating gave us a high-concentration of energy in food and thus gave us more time outside of sheer survival activities to allow cultural diversification.
have i made u look dumb enough yet?
Not really. You've made yourself look like an idiot by either trying to look knowledgeable about India, or lying outright about India when you claim it had never gone to war. LOL.
or do u want more? and ur stupid remark about humans having canine teeth HA! THATS LAUGHABLE U FOOL....why dont u compare a humans canines to ur pet dogs and see how they are half the length and not pointed or sharp they are just about good enough to pierce an apple....
But canine teeth aren't optimised for apple consumption; they're optimised for tearing meat. If we had herbivorous dentition we would have herbivore dentition; Prominent incisors separated from the cheek teeth by a long gap. We don't.
Our canine teeth are testament to our ancestry. Go look at a wildlife movie and see how chimps enjoy meat, enjoy hunting small game and then ripping it to shreds using their bare hands and their teeth. Of course, tools were far more effective than the biggest canines and thus really big canines haven't been favoured by natural selection for Milena, but we still have canines even if veggie-fascists like you would re-name them fruitines.
I'd like to see you tackle a steer and tear it apart with those ferocious incisors LOL.....
I'd use a spear or a gun. Or a supermarket. Isn't having a brain a wonderful thing? Would you know?
AND BTW GORILLAS HAVE CANINES TOO BUT DO THEY EAT MEAT? NO!
2% of their diet is insects, the males fight... and chimps are omnivores just like us with canine teeth just like us (except big ones are favoured by natural selection as chimps have no proper tools).
ONCE AGAIN FOOL! NOW CARRY ON COPYING AND PASTING IM ENJOYING MAKIN U LOOK STUPID!
You do realise the only copying and pasting is of your own turds, I mean words? And it is they that make you look like the crazy-carrot-cruncher you are. I have no problem with people being a vegetarian even if I think it is unnatural. But people like you damning others for eating meat I find detestable - especially when they turn out to be uninformed bundles of hypocritical spite like you.
and please please please dont stop eating meat! id like to see u die earlier have higher risks of cancer and heart disease poorer digestion and pay the price for all the bad karma ur pickin up!
AND HELL YEAH I WISH BAD THINGS TO HAPPEN TO MY FELLOW MAN AS MY FELLOW MAN ARE MOSTLY ******
See? What a scumbag you are.
AND I WILL GET MY KARMA FOR THINKIN THAT
But you excuse 'sin' in yourself and condemn it in others because you're a hypocrite.
AND IM NOR PERFECT BUT LEAST I HAVE A HEART TO SEE HOW WRONG AND CRUEL SLAUGHTERHOUSES ARE!
Why? Why is killing animals for meat wrong? You've still not given a decent reason why killing animals for food is wrong. You can quote Tripitaka all you like; I'll just quote Gordon Ramsey or NIgella Lawson or Jamie Oliver at you. They would seem to be just as likely to be right about eating meat as your little sage is about eating veggies.
Unnecessary suffering is certainly wrong. I pay twice as much for my chicken as I need to, as intensive chicken production is cruel. I pay a premium on the meat I buy as I want to eat animals that have lead a healthy happy life; and I've lived in the countryside so I know what I'm talking about.
A lamb's life might be short. But it is good. I've watched a field full of lambs outside my house, watched them be born, play, suckle, bask in the sun, and then disappear one day to turn up shrink-wrapped in Sainsbury's. The bad parts of their lives were all in the last half hour, more likely in the last minute. As a lamb is devoid of sufficient brain with which to comprehend this process and suffer from existential angst in the months leading up to it becoming food, I really don;t see the process as any badder than a fox eating a vole.
The transport to slaughter is normally unstressful; I drive past a queue of trucks full of bacon, I mean pigs, waiting for slaughter outside an abattoir on my way to work each day. They are not panicking, waving little placards saying "I comprehend I am and will shortly not be and protest at this!!" out of the slats of the vans, or acting in any strange way. And the final process is no more and probably considerably less painful and distressing to the animal than hunting, and over quick.
What veggie-fascists like you forget is that if everyone became vegetarian, all those fields full of animals in the countryside would be empty.
The billion sheep would be reduced to whatever number was needed for wool production - or is that wrong too?
The 1.3 billion cows would be reduced to a remnant as no one would want to keep them; or are you okay with lacto-veggie diets and if so why is this okay? Do you get permission from the cow?
Nine hundred million pigs would have no use what-so-ever
24 billion chickens would also be useless.
And the fields they live ion would be under the plough.
What you advocate is un-natural, and would also result in the eventual deaths of nearly 30 billion animals AND NO REPLACEMENT OF THEM as there would be commercial reason to keep them and the land the occupied would be needed for food production. Or do you think people would pay to keep the fields full of happy froliking animals, feeding them and keeping them healthy?
Funny how someone who is an 'animal lover' wants a world with 30 billion less animals in it. Your desires would result in multiple genocide. You favour a more lethal extinction event than has happened in millenia, one worse in scale (although not in diversity) than all the extinctions driven by primative man's expansion put together with modern man's excess. May 'god' save us, and cows, pigs, sheep, chickens etc. from animal 'lovers' like you.
UR JUST A COLD HEARTED FOOL WHO'S HAD A GOOD EDUCATION SO THINKS HE CAN PICK APART PEOPLES COMMENTS WITH HIS BIG WORDS........ur a nobody!
Yeah, well it's good to see the chip on your shoulder, come back when you have Clue - you can buy one in Ikea...
Just as you condemn meat-eaters, I'm sure there are Jains who would condemn you for not sweeping the floor in front of you as you walk, lest some poor ickle insect gets squashed. I hope you're very happy together.
abadon.............have u got nothing better to do? do u have a job? ur so sad pickin apart my whole comment again........theres no point in arguing with you........i can see ur coldhearted......u dont give a shit about animals havin their throat slit brain pierced etc.....u just wanna eat ur meat.......well carry on u pratt and face the consequences one day.....and i have got to you cuz u keep swearin at me......ur really angry.....and what the fuck u callin me a carrot muncher for...i eat a 1000 foods u eat a 1005 with the addition of beef lamb chicken pork and fish so what an ignorant thing to call me ... vegetarians have a much more varied diet than meat eaters.........i see how u dont pick up on all the points that u cant deny like we live long we have better health less cancer less heart disease......ur a pratt...how can vegetarianism be unnatural if it results in humans living longer and healthier lives? WE ALSO HAVE BIGGER COCKS! AND MAKE BETTER LOVERS! BYE BYE
abaddon - the problem with your argument is you are using logic with someone who has no use for logic, or accuracy, truth, consideration, spelling, punctuation, etc
i have been reading a lot of the "debates" here on jwd and have picked up a few pointers, so if I may humbly make some suggestions
what you need to do is throw in more insults - i saw a few but they may have gone over his head so make them more obvious, misspell the big words to make him feel at home, make up a few outrageous claims and support them with facts (eg dead animals go to heaven so killing them is a mercy, and you know this cause last nights veal parmigiana appeared to you in a vision), go with a few more insults - insults are like pepperoni you can never have too much, stay away from maths as anyone who thinks 1000 is more than 1005 is going to have difficulty following you, and then at the end as the coup de foie gras claim that he is avoiding the issues and your arguments are insurmountable (or a smaller word that means the same)
cheers, hope this helps
The problem with people like you rezamichael is that you give vegetarians a bad name and cause people to think of us as a bunch of crack pots. I haven’t eaten meat for 22 years with the brief exception of when I first became a witness at sixteen. I was told that vegetarianism was wrong and I was putting myself in a position of being superior to God as he had judged it to be ok to eat meat. I dutifully tried to eat it but was physically sick as the idea repulses me. I guess that was my first act of rebellion as I remained a veggie for the remaining 17 years that I continued to pursue that faith. Anyway my thoughts are that you should live and let live. I don’t want to be told what I can and can not eat so why should I do it to someone else. I am more than happy to cook meat for guests who want to eat it even though I would never eat it myself. As has been said there are more serious problems to worry about get a life!
As has been stated on other threads in which Abaddon has participated, his posts often are eye-opening/informative/constructive for lurkers and/or other viewers and are not necessarily aimed exclusively at the rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth:
ii) young earth creationist,
or, as in this case
iii) really bizarre vegetarian posters
who initiate wacky topics such as this one. I dare say even PETA would be ashamed of rezamichael.
(P.S. to Abaddon: I’ve finished the first (shorter) book and will begin Dawkins when I have the chance. Summer f un has gotten in the way of my serious reading for awhile )
Yeah, I used to be a vego, more for the health benefits (I was so cute then!) than anything else, but I just couldn't keep it going. I used to wonder why we're allowed to eat meat too, knowing that it's full of blood. I saw the blood on a plate that some steaks had been thawing on and asked about it; somebody said it was 'meat juice'. Ah dear.
Glad the reading is going ok... funnily enough I'm taking that Dawkins with me on holiday to re-read, although they'll be a bag of other books too... mmmm... three weeks, sun, sand, the other s, French food and wine and doing as little as humanly possible apart from reading loads and lounging in the water when it gets too hot.
And, er yes, you're quite right... although in this instance it's not really posting for lurkers as I doubt (m)any will be remotely interested in our little veggie-facist friend. Unlike some of the Creationist stuff it's not exactly clever argumentation on his part (however big his part is, LOL). With him it's a form of reducto ad absurdo (as in reducing something absurd to its base elements, lol) as I think veggie-facists are a bit silly; they DO, if you follow through their arguments, come over as very animal unfriendly, let alone their antipathy towards their fellow man who eats meat. It's also a species of fun for me....
Like I say, I don't "mind" if someone's a veggie or whatever. Why should I? More dead cow for me I think.... it's the ignorance lies and distortion of those who try and make it look like it is 'natural' and in 'harmony with the ickle animals' to be veggie, and 'bad', deserving of punishment or unatural to eat meat that I find sad, twisted, funny and worthy of ridicule. I also like spirited debate, as you figured out long ago.
I guess me being a sarcatic bastard with a potty mouth fools some people into thinking I'm angry. I don't do angry very often and when I do there's not much doubt about whether I am or not. I actually am laughing most of the time I respond to twaddle like this.
Yeah, as usual, I should have read more than the first post. And as usual, Abaddon, your reply was magnificent.
These days I do love a good steak. I buy free-range chicken and eggs, mostly because they taste better, but also because I don't like the battery farming concept. Admittedly, in Australia, 'free-range' can legally mean that they get walked into a square-centimetre of shyte-filled paddock for five minutes a day, but I prefer to think that they're on a big chicken holiday ranch, where they have their own little tuft of grass, go shopping on weekends, get regular massage and pedicures... happy hens are tasty hens!
Reza's form of vegetarianism doesn't even allow use of all vegetables. Garlic and onions, two vegetables that can add flavour and therefore make vegetarian boredom more palatable, are banned by his guru. Instead of those, the detestable hing (or asafoetida), in all its cat's pee smelling glory, must be used instead.