A question for my atheist friends.

by PaNiCAtTaCk 23 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • upside/down
    I'll never have kids for fear of such a scenario ever happening...

    Dan... I hear your "logic"...but that is faulty reasoning. I never wanted kids...now I have 3. It is by far the BEST thing to happen to me (heartache and all) and NOTHING has made me grow and get better as a person as raising children. I think that's why the "society" is so down on it. Remember all the asshole elders and CO's and Bethelites that had never had kids.. they were mostly pricks. It's better than a college education in some ways. You become truly human once you parent. Take the "risk"... and begin to really LIVE. You'll stop living for you and know what it really means to be self-less. There is NOTHING like the love of your own child loving you unconditionally (yes, even adopted kids too)... NOTHING! There is never any gain without risk...and that's OK. u/d

  • AlmostAtheist

    It sort of presupposes that the child has a belief in heaven or whatever. If that was the case, I wouldn't do anything to change that belief. If a dying person draws comfort from believing that they will be with Jesus, or reincarnated as a cat, or anything else, I surely wouldn't try to take that away.

    But all other things being equal, I would approach it as Scully did.

    Thanks for bringing this up, I've never thought about it before. Good to have some idea what I might say.


  • DanTheMan
    You become truly human once you parent.

    I would agree with that, that having children is the most human of human activities. I can't bear the lack of a guarantee though.

    Having a dying 5 year old girl laying in a hospital bed, suffering terribly, looking at me with wide, pleading eyes, as if to say "Daddy why can't you save me??" - no way, no way

  • upside/down

    Dan... you'd feel that way if your best friends child was dying. If you're truly a friend... it would hurt you almost as much.

    Let's face it bro... whenever you love... you're at risk. But it's an acceptable risk.

    Turn it around... what if you were that child... would you want someone there to comfort you?

    Trust me... someday... like it or not... you will have to face a similar sitch. But don't live life worried about it. Just live, and deal with it when it comes. No need to live in fear.

    It's funny how people who didn't think they had it in them... find "it" in them when the need arises...

    u/d(of the never thought I'd join a cult class)

  • lonelysheep

    Why do you ask?

  • BlessedStar

    I'd tell her that I would never forget her, ever. That she will always be in my heart. That I wish it were me instead of her.

    Where would she be going? What if she asked you that question?


  • Abaddon

    Depends on the five-year old.

    At that point I'd try and do what I saw as good for them.

  • ferret

    Cant comment, not an atheist.

  • PaNiCAtTaCk

    Hey guys. Im sorry if I offended anyone, I assure you that was not my mission. Years ago I almost lost my 9 year old sister to cancer after she was given less than a year to live. She literally walked around St. Judes Research Hospital with her bible story book talking to every kid she met. Spending so much time at the hospital was one of the most depressing things Ive ever seen in my life. It was far worse than any nursing home that I used to visit, encouraging older JW's.

    Without some type of hope of a peaceful afterlife I know that my sister wouldnt have been so at peace, even though she was being pounded with so much suffering as a little girl. She made friends with many other kids and alot of times they would become penpals. Every one that she wrote to died! They ALL died! MY sister had a particular fast spreading cancer in the nasal area and was grouped with others who had very serous, fast spreading forms of the big C.

    The reality is this. Good people, including kids die every minute. Some, in alot worse aflictions than Cancer in St. Jude. Whether its the truth or not, the message of a peaceful afterlife is comforting.
    You take a bible story book full of colorful paradise pictures and show that to dying children and I promise
    it will comfort them.

    Fast forward many years and I now have a 6 year old son of my own. He is my best friend and a "mini-me" of myself, as my wife says:) We are so blessed that at this time hes in perfect health, but you never know when as a parent you have to go through something as terrible as Cancer. It can happen over night!

    Since Ive lost faith in MEN (the watchtower) Ive stepped back and im looking at everything Ive ever believe as a JW alot closer with more educated and skeptical eyes. Ive started with the Bible, its origin, and how it was put together. Skeptics have pointed out many contradictions that I never knew existed. I can see how someone becomes Atheist. It seems to me that the whole atheist mentality about life is very reasonable until you die:( Be a good person, Love your neighbor ect. All that sounds great to me except, if you throw a child into that thought process. My son asked me the other day, "what happened to so and so when he died?" I just told him "well, some think he went to heaven and some think he will live in a beautiful paradise one day." We know that God will bring him back to life again.

    That brought him comfort and the whole topic was dropped.

    I think if I keep researching I will eventually drop the bible in my mind as being inspired.
    I think I will however, always believe in a creator. Im an outdoors, nature type person and I get more out of going camping and trips to the mountains in a spiritual sence than I ever got out of the kingdom hall. To me, all I have to do is look around and I see God. Nothing gets me closer to God than being in the woods with rain slowly falling and hearing a rumble of thunder in the distance. It sends chills
    down my spine.

    Wow, I really got off topic I think. Bottom line is this. Children want to know everything is going to be alright. They want to live forever, just like most of us do. Im not ready to take that message of hope away from my son. I will give it to him and when he grows up he can choose to believe it, or drop it. I was simply wondering how an atheist would handle a situation where a child was thrown in. Please dont get mad at me for creating this situation, because I assure you it happens daily.

    I do appreciate your comments, and the message of peaceful sleep with no more pain sounds pretty good to.

  • MungoBaobab
    Where would she be going? What if she asked you that question?

    No child would ever ask such a contrived question unless someone else put that idea into his or her head. Why would this child assume that you "go" anywhere when you die? Why would anyone, for that matter? Utterly ridiculous.

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