Schizm said to Gumby:
: They didn't "screw" their father. If you'd been paying attention you'd have known what I said earlier. I had said:
:: Their objective was NOT the having of sex with their father, it was the need to get semen in order to have children of their own--semen that was unavailable from any other source.
: Given their motive, I wouldn't describe them as having "screwed" their father.
LOL! You really take the cake for rankly stupid apologetics! And here I thought the JWs were bad!
From the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:
SCREW: to copulate with
COPULATE: to engage in sexual intercourse
SEXUAL INTERCOURSE:
1 : heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : COITUS
2 : intercourse involving genital contact between individuals other than penetration of the vagina by the penis
COITUS: physical union of male and female genitalia accompanied by rhythmic movements usually leading to the ejaculation of semen from the penis into the female reproductive tract; also : INTERCOURSE 3 -- compare ORGASM
ORGASM: : intense or paroxysmal excitement; especially : an explosive discharge of neuromuscular tensions at the height of sexual arousal that is usually accompanied by the ejaculation of semen in the male and by vaginal contractions in the female
Obviously, motive is not relevant to screwing.
You also said:
: You refer to what happened as an act of "incest," which is not true.
Again from the online dictionary:
INCEST: sexual intercourse between persons so closely related that they are forbidden by law to marry
Now, what does the Bible say about incest? Note the words from Leviticus 18 (NIV):
6 No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations.
17 Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter... That is wickedness.
From the Online Jewish Encyclopedia ( http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=213&letter=M ) :
The older custom of intermarriage within the circle of kinship was governed by no strict rules. Of course marriage with a daughter or uterine sister was not tolerated, but there was no bar to union with close relatives on the father's side, and even down to the Babylonian exile such unions appear to have been common (Gen. xx. 12; Ex. vi. 20; Num. xxvi. 59; II Sam. xiii. 13; Ezek. xxii. 10-11). Deuteronomy prohibits certain marriages with near relatives (xxii. 30; xxvii. 20, 22-23), but the most elaborate legislation in this direction is found in Leviticus (xviii. 7-17, xx. 11-21). According to this law a man may not marry his mother, stepmother, mother-in-law, father's sister, mother's sister, paternal uncle's wife, half-sister, stepsister (daughter of stepmother and her former husband), sister-in-law (brother's wife), living wife's sister, daughter-in-law, stepdaughter, granddaughter, or daughter of stepson or stepdaughter. It is clear that marriage with a deceased wife's sister is not forbidden, but it has been argued that the near relatives of the wife equally with those of the husband are within the forbidden degree to him and that, as the wife's mother and daughter are barred, so also, by analogy, is the wife's sister.
From the same source, on INCEST ( http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=126&letter=I ) :
Marriage or carnal commerce between persons of a close degree of consanguinity. Even in modern times the connotation of "incestuous" is not the same in all countries. Among primitive and barbarous races there is a still wider divergence. Nor has the opinion as to which marriages between relatives were incestuous and hence forbidden been constant at all times among the Israelites. The oldest customs were laxer in permitting marriages than was the law of the intermediary books of the Pentateuch. The marriage of the father with his own daughter (and therefore presumably also that of the son with his mother) was forbidden at all times as incestuous.
If you disagree with the above, you disagree with the Bible. But that's common for JWs and Fundies.
This source also states:
The story of Lot, which might be construed as showing that even this relationship was allowed in Ammon and Moab (Gen. xix. 30 et seq.), reflects the antipathy of Israel, which regarded these peoples as born of an incestuous union.
This confirms my earlier comment that the story of Lot was "an insulting spoof on the origin of the Moabites and Ammonites, designed to make two of Israel's worst enemies look foolish whenever the story was told around the campfire."
So to sum it up: You putta you dickie inna pussy, you a-scewin. You letta guy putta he dickie inna you pussy, you a-screwin.
AlanF