THE WATCHTOWER HOW LONG DO YOU GIVE IT ????????????

by vitty 77 Replies latest jw friends

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    trocul, the brochure is "Keep on the Watch", and Ozziepost has been systematically reviewing it, here, on the board.

    The Illustrations and The Illustrations Part 2
    Page 3
    the religious scene
    Clergy and Terrorists
    Page 12 whose judging now?
    Page 13 shameless luxury
    Page 14 dates but no dates
    Page 15 who is sovereign?
    Page 17 which things?
    Page 18
    Page 19 never good enough

  • one
    one

    If history is worth anything..

    exactly when the wt introuce major changes.

    right after the death of... (you name them)

    who is/are the chiefs today

    look, when you were 5 years old your father was a genius,

    later even you learned the truth about your father... out of respect for him you woud not contradict him, or break his heart

    after his death you did not care anymore, you said and did whaterever you had say and do..

    in other words why fire the manager to introduce new policies if he is going to "retire" (died) within a year anyway.

  • boa
    boa

    gdt said:

    with 1000 more congreations than 03; more hours, publishers, 358,000 more studies and 500,000 more publishers (less dfd; died; left; didn't endure; hurt; etc etc) hardly seems like self-destructing, despite so much exjw wishes. gdt

    No offence gdt, but my problem with this is that I don't trust wts statistics. They've been proven to be intellectually, journalistically, and spiritually dishonest, all in the name of 'Theocratic Warfare'(tm). They are capable of virtuallly any deception for the sake of the cause imo. What I personally see, sans statistics, is many many of my dub friends and family with serious doubts/questions. They may still go to meetings and schlervice, but live what the hardcore dubs would call a double life. This is not because they are 'bad' witnesses, but rather due to their lack of belief its the 'truth'. This religion will not go away easily or quietly. The top dogs are extremely arrogant and would rather take all dubs down with them instead of being honest for once. The organization as a viable religion died in the late 70's when information showing the lack of support for 607bce and the falseness of the statistics 'proving' 1914 was a special date came out. The massive tree has fallen over but like a real tree, will take many decades to be eaten up. boa.....

  • troucul
    troucul

    speak of the devil, just got it in the mail today. I especially like page 21 "Do You Take Seriously Warnings From Reputable Sources?"-it's somewhat funny, the operative word being REPUTABLE. If an organization repeatedly gives dates and nothing comes to fruition (and blames it's followers for misreading the information), aren't they no longer 'reputable'?

    sorry to get off the subject...back to the topic...

  • troucul
    troucul

    oh, by the way, I hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving...

    Troucul- of the 'why don't you celebrate Thanksgiving? I celebrate Thanksgiving everyday" class

  • StinkyPantz
    StinkyPantz

    LT-

    No doubt Simon meant all religous people, EXCEPT you.. ..

  • kgfreeperson
    kgfreeperson

    I got offered that awful brochure at the door a week or so ago. So many things I wished I had said--here's a new one "I thought you weren't supposed to give that out to strangers! Whose voices you are supposed to be bewaring!)

    Sigh. Maybe next time.

  • JT
    JT

    The words of Carl Sagan are so True

  • JT
    JT

    sorry bout that

    Doctrines that make no predictions are less compelling than those which make correct predictions; they are in turn more successful than doctrines that make false predictions. But not always. One prominent American religion confidently predicted that the world would end in 1914. Well, 1914 has come and gone, and -- while the events of that year were certainly of some importance -- the world does not, at least so far as I can see, seem to have ended.

  • JT
    JT

    posting is not working for me tonight

    Doctrines that make no predictions are less compelling than those which make correct
    predictions; they are in turn more successful than doctrines that make false predictions.
    But not always. One prominent American religion confidently predicted that the world
    would end in 1914. Well, 1914 has come and gone, and -- while the events of that year
    were certainly of some importance -- the world does not, at least so far as I can see,
    seem to have ended.

    There are at least three responses that an organized religion can make in the face of
    such a failed and fundamental prophecy. They could have said, "Oh, did we say '1914'?
    So sorry, we meant '2014'. A slight error in calculation. Hope you weren't inconvenienced
    in any way." But they did not. They could have said, "Well, the world *would* have ended,
    except we prayed very hard and interceded with God and He spared the Earth." Instead,
    they did something much more ingenious. They announced that the world *had* in fact ended
    in 1914, and if the rest of us hadn't noticed, that was our lookout.

    It is astonishing in the face of such transparent evasions that this religion has any
    adherents at all. But religions are tough. Either they make no contentions which are
    subject to disproof or they quickly redesign doctrine after disproof. The fact that
    religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their
    adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough-mindedness of the
    believers. But it does indicate, if a demonstration were needed, that near the core of
    the religious experience is something remarkably resistant to rational inquiry.
    ? quote from "Broca's Brain" by Carl Sagan, p. 332, twelfth edition

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