Studying the "Keep on the Watch!" brochure - The clergy and terrorists!!

by ozziepost 15 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    After being deceived in the first section "Where is this world heading?" the next section of misrepresentation in the brochure is "What Does It All Mean?".

    It starts with this mind-numbing statement:

    "Since 1914 life has been marred by wars between nations and between ethnic groups, often as a result of political interference by clergymen and now by widespread terrorist attacks."

    So there we have it! The "Truth" is that the clergy and terrorists are to blame for all the wars!! Good grief!!

    What more can be said?

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere
    "Since 1914 life has been marred by wars between nations and between ethnic groups, often as a result of political interference by clergymen and now by widespread terrorist attacks."

    That's odd... I could have sworn that all of those things have been going on for as long as history has been recorded. They make it sound like the world was a paradise before 1914.

    Classic bait and switch.

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  • Xander
    Xander

    You know, you TRY to reason with them on this.

    The US had more casualties during the civil war (both sides) than WW2. Which happened before or after 1914?

    When was the last time a plague wiped out 1/3 of Europe's population? Would that be before or after 1914?

    When was the last time several nations existed in a state of declared war for ONE HUNDRED YEARS? Again, before or after 1914?

    The WTBTS can just play on the whole 'world was a paradise before 1914' angle because the knowledge of history in this country is AWFUL. I mean, people are really, REALLY stupid as far as pre-20th century history goes - not just JWs, everybody! (Which probably is why it is so easy for them to gain new converts) The most extensive knowledge your 'common American' has on pre-20th century history comes from the movie renditions of the Jane Austen novels. Hardly a clear picture into this era!

  • heathen
    heathen

    I think the real danger of living in todays world is that man has the ability to not only kill himself with WOMD but also destroy the planet to point where all life could become extinct . Big corporations have poluted the environment to the point that if there are no measures to preserve the eco system that in itself could wreak all sorts of havock on the planet . True Mankind has always had the world in a state of war throughout the history of the planet but never before in the history of man has there been attempts to negotiate with diplomacy thru a medium such as the league of nations or the UN but to no avail , so you might say it is impossible for man to live in peace under his own terms . WW1 was believed to be the war to end all wars but nothing could be further from the truth on the issue .

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Whatever bad things there are, the WTS will blame the clergy!!

    In just the opening two sections of this new brochure, there are two attacks on "the clergy".

    It's much like the Public Talk outlines - the usual introduction is on how bad things are!

  • willyloman
    willyloman
    It's much like the Public Talk outlines - the usual introduction is on how bad things are!

    Well, you know, that's the FORMULA! It seems to be workin' for them.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Not lately, Willy, not lately.

  • johnny cip
    johnny cip

    yea the old 1914 line. just take any jw to the public library and look up wars, famines, earthquakes, desease. etc before the 20th century. one afternoon at the library proves without a a question the wt is lying about things being worst since 1914. just one afternoon is all it takes. john

  • Xander
    Xander
    I think the real danger of living in todays world is that man has the ability to not only kill himself with WOMD but also destroy the planet to point where all life could become extinct .

    There is a great chasm between the ABILITY to do something and ANY CHANCE of it actually happening. During the 60s and 70s? Maybe, but mostly because the long-term effects of a nuclear war were not widely known or acknowledged.

    The thing is that you are looking at WMDs all wrong. They are weapons that are most effectively used by never using them but by HAVING them. I'm sure we'll see a couple localized nuclear exchanges in the near future (India/Pakistan, for one), but nothing on a global scale to worry mankind. The superpowers will never fire them in anger - just too much at risk, and everyone knows that now.

    Big corporations have poluted the environment to the point that if there are no measures to preserve the eco system that in itself could wreak all sorts of havock on the planet .

    True, this is a concern. However, consider that the US is the ONLY first world country not currently *trying* to do something about it. And how long do you really think the US will be able to stand alone on this issue?

    True Mankind has always had the world in a state of war throughout the history of the planet but never before in the history of man has there been attempts to negotiate with diplomacy thru a medium such as the league of nations or the UN but to no avail , so you might say it is impossible for man to live in peace under his own terms . WW1 was believed to be the war to end all wars but nothing could be further from the truth on the issue .

    See?

    Sorry, no offense, but this is EXACTLY the kind of....lets see....how to put this....semi-retarded?...revisionism the society uses. Or, maybe worse, exploiting the poor education system of this country.

    1) NOBODY, *EVER* thought WW1 was the 'war to end all wars'. Not one person, not ever, at no point in time thought that. The whole 'war to end all wars' line was a recruitment line fed to teenagers to try and get them to enlist - but even then, nobody really believed it. It's like the modern Army's "Army of One" slogan. Does the idea of being an "Army of One" gets recruits in? Sure it does! Does ANYBODY really believe someone is LITERALLY an 'Army of One'!? Hell no! It's just a recruitment slogan, nothing more or less. There is no meaning behind the words.

    2) Quick question - how many wars between world powers have happened since the forming of the UN? What's that? NONE? Huh, guess it really is worthless, huh? Look through history. Before the 20th century, the 'world powers' were France, England, Prussia (later Germany), and Russia. Earlier than that Spain and Denmark were. Find me a 50 year stretch in time before the 20th century when you didn't have at least two of the world powers at the time at war with each other. The UN has succeeded in keeping the world powers from fighting, and drastically minimized the number of 'proxy' wars fought.

    Has it ended war entirely? Of course not, but nothing will. Human nature to fight over resources and ideology. MINIMIZING it is an amazing accomplishment on its own!

    Seriously, please, STOP POSTING ON SOMETHING YOU HAVE NO CONCEPT ABOUT.

    Really.

    Stop.

    Go read some books on pre-1914 society. Heck, I'm busilly reading a great one right now. "Dreadnought" by Robert K. Massie. It is about, interestingly enough, the actual cause of WW1. It's written by a journalist rather than a historian, so although it's a HUGE book (over 1000 pages), it's a very easy read. Really - VERY easy read, VERY interesting book. Covers the topic thoroughly.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost
    revisionism the society uses. Or, maybe worse, exploiting the poor education system of this country.

    Both I think.

    Having the freedom to actually look and reassess for myself has been a time of real enlightenment for me.More and more I'm seeing that the WTS at every turn takes things out of context. Whether it's their teachings on post-1914 society or whether it's the bible itself, they constantly fail to consider the context.

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