Billy's Comments You Won't Hear at the 01-19-2014 WT Study (7 Shepherds, 8 Dukes)

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  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    I'm gonna try to fill Blondie's shoes this week for this particularly terrible article.

    SEVEN SHEPHERDS, EIGHT DUKES—WHAT THEY MEAN FOR US TODAY
    WT 11/15/2013 pp. 16-20

    “We shall also have to raise up against him seven shepherds, yes, eight dukes of mankind.”—MIC. 5:5.

    CAN YOU ANSWER?

    How did Hezekiah, Isaiah, Micah, and the princes of Jerusalem prove to be fine shepherds in the eighth century B.C.E.?

    Who correspond to the seven shepherds and eight dukes today? In what ways?

    What is the most important thing that you can do now to prepare for any future attack on God’s people?

    Watchtower loves to pick and choose OT accounts and rewrite them to fit their theology. This study article is a prime example of ignoring the role of Jesus and Christianity and picking out some events in the ancient history of a failed state to support the authority of the GB down through the rest of the JW clergy structure.

    Now grab your airsickness bags, because this particular article is a doozy!

    1. Why was the plot of the Syro-Israelite league bound to fail?

    SOMETIME between 762 B.C.E. and 759 B.C.E., the
    king of Israel and the king of Syria declared war on
    the kingdom of Judah. Their goal? To invade Jerusalem,
    remove King Ahaz from the throne, and replace
    him with another man, perhaps one who was not of
    the line of King David. (Isa. 7:5, 6) The king of Israel
    should have known better. Jehovah had decreed
    that one of David’s descendants would occupy His
    throne permanently, and God’s word never goes unfulfilled.—
    Josh. 23:14; 2 Sam. 7:16.

    More fuzzy chronology and assumptions... "sometime", "perhaps". The last half of the paragraph is contradictory. They say, "Jehovah had decreed that one of David’s descendants would occupy His throne permanently," and use that to assert that "The king of Israel should have known better," and "God’s word never goes unfulfilled," these are just not true. The kingdom of Judah was later completely destroyed and there was no davidic king in Jerusalem for centuries. Evidently, WT has forgotten that the promise to David was fulfilled in Jesus, not in the line of failed Judean kings.

    So, by the end of paragraph 1, the article has 1) ignored Jesus, 2) introduced a lot of guesswork, opinion, and error into the story.

    2-4. Explain how Isaiah 7:14, 16 was fulfilled (a) in the eighth
    century B.C.E. (b) in the first century C.E.

    2 At first, the Syro-Israelite alliance seemed to
    have the upper hand. In one battle alone, Ahaz lost
    120,000 valiant fighting men! Maaseiah, “the son of
    the king,” was killed. (2 Chron. 28:6, 7) But Jehovah
    was watching. He remembered his promise to David;
    thus, he sent the prophet Isaiah with a most encouraging
    message.

    3 Isaiah said: “Look! The maiden herself will actually
    become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a
    son, and she will certainly call his name Immanuel.
    . . . Before the boy will know how to reject the
    bad and choose the good, the ground of whose two
    kings you are feeling a sickening dread [Syria and Israel]
    will be left entirely.” (Isa. 7:14, 16) The first part
    of that prophecy is often applied to the birth of the
    Messiah, and rightly so. (Matt. 1:23) However, since
    the “two kings,” the king of Syria and the king of Israel,
    were no longer a threat to Judah in the first century
    C.E., the prophecy about Immanuel must have
    had an initial fulfillment in Isaiah’s day.

    4 Soon after Isaiah made that remarkable
    announcement, his wife became
    pregnant and bore him a son named
    Maher-shalal-hash-baz. One possibility
    is that this child was the “Immanuel”
    referred to by Isaiah.* In Bible times,
    an infant might be given one name at
    birth, perhaps to commemorate a special
    event, but be known by his parents and
    relatives by another name. (2 Sam. 12:24,
    25) There is no evidence that Jesus was
    ever addressed by the name Immanuel.
    —Read Isaiah 7:14; 8:3, 4.

    The Hebrew word translated “maiden” at Isaiah
    7:14 can mean either a married woman or a virgin.
    Thus, the same word could be applied both to Isaiah’s
    wife and to the Jewish virgin Mary.

    Wow. So Isaiah was proven to be a prophet by getting his wife pregnant. We should be impressed? More guesswork on stuff about naming. This type of material is designed to deceive the sheeple into thinking, "This is so deep and complex, I'm glad I have WT to explain this to me in such a stupified fashion!"

    5. What foolish decision did King Ahaz make?

    5While Israel and Syria were focusing
    on Judah, another nation, a militaristic
    one, had ambitions toward the region.
    It was the rising world power of
    Assyria. According to Isaiah 8:3, 4, Assyria
    would carry off “the resources of
    Damascus” and “the spoil of Samaria”
    before attacking the southern kingdom
    of Judah. Instead of trusting in God’s
    word through Isaiah, faithless Ahaz entered
    into a disastrous pact with the Assyrians,
    which ultimately led to Judah’s
    being oppressed by them. (2 Ki. 16:7-
    10) What a disappointment Ahaz was
    as a shepherd of Judah! We might ask
    ourselves, ‘When I have important decisions
    to make, do I put my trust in God
    or in men?’—Prov. 3:5, 6.

    Interesting that WT clearly points out not to trust in men. The kingdom of Judah was established by Jehovah. It was his organization. Clearly the lesson becomes, DO NOT TRUST AN ORGANIZATION OR ANY HUMAN 'SHEPHERD'!

    A NEW SHEPHERD TAKES
    A DIFFERENT APPROACH

    6. Compare the reigns of Ahaz and Hezekiah.

    6 Ahaz died in 746 B.C.E., and his son
    Hezekiah inherited the materially impoverished
    and spiritually bankrupt
    kingdom of Judah. As the young king ascended
    the throne, what would his priority be?
    To shore up Judah’s ailing economy?
    No. Hezekiah was a spiritual man,
    a worthy shepherd of his national flock.
    His first act was to reestablish pure worship
    and to reinforce the wayward nation’s
    frayed relationship with Jehovah.
    When he understood God’s will for him,
    Hezekiah acted decisively. What a fine
    example for us!—2 Chron. 29:1-19.

    You can tell that an actual consideration of the recorded stories are not going to be considered in this article. They've gone straight to the sweeping conclusions because careful analysis is not part of WT's agenda.

    7. Why was it important for the Levites to be
    assured of the new king’s support?

    7 The Levites would play a vital role
    in the important task of restoring pure
    worship. Therefore, Hezekiah met with
    them to assure them of his support. Picture
    the faithful Levites who were present
    at that meeting, tears of joy streaming
    down their faces as they heard their
    king declare: “You are the ones whom Jehovah
    has chosen to stand before him to
    minister to him.” (2 Chron. 29:11) Yes,
    the Levites had a clear mandate to promote
    pure worship!

    There's nothing in the account about "tears of joy streaming down their faces." If the Levites had cared at all about "pure worship" before Hezekiah told them to get back to work, the temple wouldn't have been such a complete mess.

    8. What further steps did Hezekiah take to
    shore up the spirituality of the nation, and with
    what result?

    8 Hezekiah invited all of Judah and Israel
    to a great Passover celebration, followed by
    the seven-day Festival of Unfermented
    Cakes. The people enjoyed the
    festival so much that it was extended
    for seven days more. The Bible reports:
    “There came to be great rejoicing in Jerusalem,
    for from the days of Solomon the
    son of David the king of Israel there was
    none like this in Jerusalem.” (2 Chron.
    30:25, 26) What an inspiration that spiritual
    feast proved to be for all the people!
    From 2 Chronicles 31:1, we learn: “As
    soon as they finished all this, . . . they
    proceeded to break up the sacred pillars
    and cut down the sacred poles and pull
    down the high places and the altars.” In
    a mighty way, Judah thus began to turn
    back to Jehovah. This spiritual cleansing
    would be of the utmost importance in
    view of what was to come.

    This account clearly demonstrates that Israel and Judah only for a few very brief periods came close to really worshipping Jehovah exclusively and following his law. When WT claims "Jehovah always had an organization," the correction would be "Organizations claiming to be Jehovah's are usually lying."

    THE KING PREPARES FOR TROUBLE

    9. (a) How were the plans of Israel frustrated?
    (b) Sennacherib had what initial success in Judah?

    9 True to Isaiah’s word, the Assyrians
    conquered the northern kingdom
    of Israel and deported its inhabitants,
    thus frustrating Israel’s plans to place
    a usurper on David’s throne. But what of
    Assyria’s plans? The Assyrians now set
    their sights on Judah. “In the fourteenth
    year of King Hezekiah, Sennacherib the
    king of Assyria came up against all the
    fortified cities of Judah and proceeded
    to seize them.” Reportedly, Sennacherib
    conquered 46 Judean cities in all. Imagine
    how you would have felt if you had
    lived in Jerusalem at that time. One after
    another, Judah’s cities fell before the advancing
    Assyrian armies!—2 Ki. 18:13.

    Jehovah couldn't protect 46 fortified cities. Suddenly, King Ahaz doesn't look so foolish for not relying on Jehovah for any protection.

    10. Why might Micah 5:5, 6 have encouraged
    Hezekiah?

    10 Of course, Hezekiah was aware of
    the approaching danger, but rather than
    desperately enlist the help of a pagan nation,
    as his apostate father, Ahaz, had
    done, Hezekiah placed his trust in Jeho-
    vah. (2 Chron. 28:20, 21) He may have
    been aware of the words of the prophet
    Micah, a contemporary who foretold
    concerning Assyria: “As for the Assyrian,
    . . . we shall also have to raise up
    against him seven shepherds, yes, eight
    dukes of mankind. And they will actually
    shepherd the land of Assyria with
    the sword.” (Mic. 5:5, 6) These inspired
    words would surely have encouraged
    Hezekiah, for they show that a most unusual
    army would be raised up against
    the Assyrians and that the hostile aggressors
    would ultimately be defeated.

    When they have to put "might" in the question and in the paragraph,"may have been aware of", "would surely have", this is all guesswork.

    11. When would the prophecy concerning seven
    shepherds and eight dukes have its primary
    fulfillment?

    11 The prophecy concerning seven
    shepherds and eight dukes (“princes,”
    The New English Bible) was to find its
    primary, or most important, fulfillment
    long after the birth of Jesus, the “ruler in
    Israel, whose origin is from early times.”
    (Read Micah 5:1, 2.) This would be at
    a time when the very existence of Jehovah’s
    servants would be threatened by a
    modern-day “Assyrian.”What forces will
    Jehovah, through his now-reigning Son,
    marshal to confront the fear-inspiring
    foe? We shall see. But first, let us consider
    what we can learn from the action
    Hezekiah took in the face of the Assyrian
    menace.

    Now it's time to take a huge illogical jump from an obscure OT prophecy to how it's "modern-day" fulfillment. Jesus barely gets a mention here, only in a very "matter of fact" fashion.

    HEZEKIAH TAKES PRACTICAL STEPS

    12. What steps did Hezekiah and those with
    him take to protect God’s people?

    12 Jehovah is always willing to do for
    us what we cannot do for ourselves, but
    he does expect us to do what we can.
    Hezekiah consulted “his princes and his
    mighty men,” and together they decided
    “to stop up the waters of the springs that
    were outside the city . . . Furthermore,
    [Hezekiah] took courage and built up all
    the broken-down wall and raised towers
    upon it, and on the outside another wall,
    . . . and made missiles in abundance
    and shields.” (2 Chron. 32:3-5) In order
    to protect and shepherd His people at
    that time, Jehovah used a number of valiant
    men—Hezekiah, his princes, and the
    spiritually strong prophets.

    A couple of noteworthy points: 1) If you were in the 46 fortified Judean cities, you are out of luck. Jehovah didn't help them and he clearly didn't care about them. 2) Don't just "rely on Jehovah," build your resources like everyone else that DOESN'T "rely on Jehovah." Evidently that was where those fortified cities screwed up... they "relied on Jehovah" rather than prepared for battle.

    13. What was the most important step that
    Hezekiah took to prepare the people for the
    coming attack? Explain.

    13 What Hezekiah did next was of
    even greater value than stopping up the
    waters or fortifying the city walls. Concerned
    shepherd that he was, Hezekiah
    gathered the people and encouraged
    them spiritually with the words: “Do not
    be afraid nor be terrified because of the
    king of Assyria . . . , for with us there
    are more than there are with him. With
    him there is an arm of flesh, but with
    us there is Jehovah our God to help us
    and to fight our battles.” What a faith
    strengthening reminder—Jehovah would
    fight for his people! Upon hearing this,
    the Jews “began to brace themselves
    upon the words of Hezekiah the king of
    Judah.” Notice that it was “the words of
    Hezekiah” that caused the people to take
    heart. He and his princes and mighty
    men, as well as the prophets Micah and
    Isaiah, proved to be effective shepherds,
    just as Jehovah had foretold through his
    prophet.—2 Chron. 32:7, 8; read Micah 5:
    5, 6.

    It relying on Jehovah was so important, why did they bother with all the other preparations? What happened to the Jehovah that was able to destroy the armies of Egypt without the Hebrews needing to do anything to prepare for battle?

    14. What role did Rabshakeh play, and how
    did the people react?

    14 The king of Assyria set up camp at
    Lachish, southwest of Jerusalem. From
    there, through three envoys, he ordered
    the city to surrender. His spokesman,
    whose official title was Rabshakeh, used
    a variety of tactics. Speaking in Hebrew,
    he urged the people to betray the king
    and to submit to the Assyrians, falsely
    promising to relocate them to a land
    where they could enjoy a comfortable
    life. (Read 2 Kings 18:31, 32.) Then Rabshakeh
    asserted that just as the gods
    of the nations had been unable to protect
    their worshippers, so Jehovah would
    be unable to deliver the Jews out of the
    Assyrians’ clutches. Wisely, the people
    did not try to respond to the slanderous
    propaganda, a course often followed
    by Jehovah’s servants in our day.—Read
    2 Kings 18:35, 36.

    Maybe if Jehovah had been able to protect the 46 fortified Judean cities, the residents of Jerusalem could have had complete confidence in Jehovah. But Jehovah had allowed the kingdom to be devastated and a faithful, Jehovah fearing king to be trapped in Jerusalem like a bird in a cage.

    But wait, how does that situation have anything to do with JWs today? "Slanderous propaganda" against "Jehovah's servants in our day"? Sorry WT, but when people point out your false prophecies, flip-flops, and failure to protect children from pedophiles, those are called FACTS!

    15. What was required of the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
    and how did Jehovah bring salvation
    to the city?

    15 Hezekiah was understandably upset,
    but instead of turning to a foreign
    power for help, he sent for Isaiah the
    prophet. Isaiah told Hezekiah: “He [Sennacherib]
    will not come into this city nor
    will he shoot an arrow there.” (2 Ki. 19:
    32) All that was required of the inhabitants
    of Jerusalem was that they stand
    their ground. Jehovah would fight for Judah.
    And fight he did! “It came about
    on that night that the angel of Jehovah
    proceeded to go out and strike down
    a hundred and eighty-five thousand in
    the camp of the Assyrians.” (2 Ki. 19:
    35) Judah’s salvation came, not by Hezekiah’s
    stopping up the fountains of waters
    of the city nor by his building up its
    walls, but by divine intervention.

    So, why did they bother with all the work of building up defenses? Wouldn't it have been far more impressive if the first little lightly defended Judean city would have conquered the Assyrian army? That didn't happen. Regarding the killing of 185,000 in the Assyrian camp, wouldn't it have been helpful if other nation's historical records agreed with this account? Maybe some archaeological evidence that this "divine intervention" happened?

    LESSONS FOR TODAY

    This heading basically means, "time to stretch this OT fiction to some instructions for the sheeple to just shut-up and obey."

    16. Who today are represented by (a) Jerusalem’s
    citizens (b) “the Assyrian” (c) the seven
    shepherds and eight dukes?

    16 The prophecy about seven shepherds
    and eight dukes has its major fulfillment
    in our day. The citizens of ancient
    Jerusalem were attacked by the
    Assyrians. In the near future, Jehovah’s
    apparently vulnerable people will come
    under attack from the modern-day “Assyrian,”
    whose intent will be to wipe
    them out. The Scriptures refer to that
    attack as well as the attack of ‘Gog of
    Magog,’ the attack of “the king of the
    north,” and the attack of “the kings of
    the earth.” (Ezek. 38:2, 10-13; Dan. 11:40,
    44, 45; Rev. 17:14; 19:19) Do these represent
    separate attacks? Not necessarily.
    The Bible could be referring to the same
    attack under different names. What ‘secret
    weapon’ does Micah’s prophecy indicate
    Jehovah would raise up against
    that implacable foe—“the Assyrian”? A
    very unlikely one—“seven shepherds,
    yes, eight dukes”! (Mic. 5:5) The shepherds
    and dukes (or, “princes,” NEB) in
    this implausible army are the congregation
    elders. (1 Pet. 5:2) Today, Jehovah
    certainly has provided an abundance of
    spiritual men to shepherd his precious
    sheep, to strengthen his people for the
    future attack of the modern-day “Assyrian.”*
    Micah’s prophecy states that they
    will “shepherd the land of Assyria with
    the sword.” (Mic. 5:6) Yes, among ‘the
    weapons of their warfare,’ you will find
    “the sword of the spirit,” God’s Word.
    —2 Cor. 10:4; Eph. 6:17.

    * The number seven is used frequently in the
    Scriptures to signify completion. The number eight
    (one more than seven) sometimes represents an
    abundance.

    Time for more error: "The citizens of ancient Jerusalem were attacked by the Assyrians." Wrong. Jerusalem wasn't attacked because they had strengthened the defenses of the city. The 46 other Judea cities were attacked... and fell to the Assyrians. Tough luck for them.

    Time for a lot more guesswork: "Not necessarily. The Bible could be referring to the same attack under different names." When those statements are in the very center of the paragraph, it's clear that the entire application is completely lacking in a stable foundation.

    Time to throw more persecution complex into this study. The simple reality is that the rest of the world doesn't care at all about Watchtower Corporation. They are only important in their own mind. "The shepherds and dukes (or, “princes,” NEB) in this implausible army are the congregation elders." Implausible, indeed. Are those princely elders going to disfellowship the attacking Assyrians? Maybe throw gray bibles at them? With the elders getting older and fewer, how can they defend anything?

    But this odd paragraph isn't really the point of the article...

    17. What four conclusions can the elders draw
    from the account we have considered?

    17 Elders who are reading this article
    can draw some useful conclusions from
    the account we have just considered:
    (1) The most practical step that we can
    take to prepare for the coming attack of
    “the Assyrian” is that of strengthening
    our faith in God and helping our brothers
    to do the same. (2) When “the Assyrian”
    attacks, the elders must be absolutely
    convinced that Jehovah will
    deliver us. (3) At that time, the lifesaving
    direction that we receive from
    Jehovah’s organization may not appear
    practical from a human standpoint. All
    of us must be ready to obey any instructions
    we may receive, whether these appear
    sound from a strategic or human
    standpoint or not. (4) Now is the time
    for any who may be putting their trust
    in secular education, material things, or
    human institutions to adjust their thinking.
    The elders must stand ready to help
    any who may now be wavering in their
    faith.

    For any of you that have heard the GB member Stephen Lett speak, you notice that among his peculiarities is his numberfication of the points he's trying to make. Here we have just such an example. Four conclusions are numbered, but when you actually examine these points, they don't really relate to the material under consideration. There is no clear relation between the OT account and any modern application. So many details are completely ignored: Who is the King of the North? What is the application of the 46 destroyed Judean cities? Why was the water stopped up and defenses constructed? What role does Jesus play in salvation or it the visible organization that strikes down the Assyrian army? Let's take a closer look:

    (1) The most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of “the Assyrian” is that of strengthening our faith in God and helping our brothers to do the same.

    That seems kinda silly when you look at the fact that the residents of Jerusalem strengthed the cities defenses and prepared for physical battle as "the most practical step." There would have been thousands of Jews that had celebrated the Passover and sacrificed to Jehovah at the temple... but they died or were taken as slaves because they were in the 46 cities that were conquered. Clearly, strengthening their faith in Jehovah had not been nearly enough!

    (2) When “the Assyrian” attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that Jehovah will deliver us.

    ...just like Jehovah DIDN'T deliver the Jews living in the 46 cities that were conquered.

    (3) At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

    Clearly, this is the real point of this article: BLIND FAITH IN WATCHTOWER!

    Let's not pretend that this point is connected to the OT account in any way. Jerusalem had prepared for a physical seige. The territory was so badly conquered to this point that they couldn't have called to any other nation for rescue, so they were completely at a loss, saying "God, help us!" Did the last Jews in Jerusalem have to obey instructions that seemed unsound? No. They chose to try to defend the city because they couldn't trust the Assyrians. They'd already learned that during the kingship of Ahaz. So now WT is trying to twist this account to say, "Do whatever your told, even if it comes across as completely crazy."

    Why? What is the organization going to ask the sheeple to do that would appear not sound?

    Since they use the phrase "At that time..." if they were under ban, telling them to run and hide would appear sound. Telling them to lie to the police would be, well, expected. But the point of this seems to be obedience not "At that time". They state, "All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive...", so they aren't expecting unquestioning obedience just in the future, but right now.

    Since WT has inserted so much guesswork into this article, I'll insert my own guesswork here. Don't be surprised if WT becomes much more aggressive about needing congregation funds and personal assets in order to advance "kingdom interests." What else could WT do that would be described as "whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not". I remember when WT sent out a letter "encouraging" the congregations to "deposit" any extra congregation account funds with the society... so they could use them for "kingdom interests." This was as they were also selling off property worth millions of dollars. To me it sounded completely illogical for many reasons. Yet a year later, the CO twisted the elders arms to send several thousand dollars to the society. Can demanding the same thing from all the publishers be far behind?

    ... especially after looking at #4:

    (4) Now is the time for any who may be putting their trust in secular education, material things, or human institutions to adjust their thinking.

    How wrong it was for those people in Jerusalem to have strengthened the cities defenses! Right? Nope. If Jerusalem hadn't made all those physical preparations, that city would have fallen just like the 46 cities before it.

    Time for more guesswork on my part: But the point WT wants to make is that the sheeple shouldn't trust in money. No! It would be much better for the JWs to send their money to WT so that it can be used for "kingdom interests." Then they can "adjust their thinking" to put their trust in WT!*

    *"put their trust" indicates something invisible. So JWs should be prepared for invisible support coming from WT. This includes invisible healthcare, invisible food, invisible clothes, invisible housing, invisible pandas, etc.

    18. How might reflecting on this account benefit
    us in the future?

    18 The time will come when God’s
    modern-day servants will appear to be
    just as vulnerable as the Jews trapped
    inside Jerusalem in Hezekiah’s day. At
    that time, may all of us draw strength
    from Hezekiah’s words. Let us remember
    that with our enemies “there is an
    arm of flesh, but with us there is Jehovah
    our God to help us and to fight our battles”!—
    2 Chron. 32:8.

    LOL. They have to put "might" in the last question. Let's be honest. This last paragraph is a short and meaningless as possible in hopes that the sheeple will only remember the points for the previous paragraph.

    If they want to talk about JWs being vulnerable, let's talk about the remote compound. When I was still a believer and headquarters was to stay in Brooklyn. I saw that as strategic. The government would never bomb right next to the Brooklyn Bridge and Manhattan. In NYC the entire bethel family could have disappeared into the city in a very short time. If WT would have bought St. George, they would have direct access to the subways and easy escape from police. But in that remote compound, the GB would be sitting ducks. A couple drone strikes and it's all over. One of the particular things I noted about Patterson was that there was only one road. The younger bethelites could escape through the woods, but all the oldies would be goners.

    Perhaps the best way to escape from the attack on Jehovah's Witnesses now is to not be known as a JW! So tell those elders that those aren't really Christmas lights, those are decoys so that the neighbors won't think to attack you when JWs are attacked by the still unidentified King of the North... Santa Claus!

    Now for your comments, please!

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    Nice job Billy!

    So, if we would have trusted Ahaz, Jehovah would have been very sad with us and probably had to kill us. So for that reason, we need to trust the GB no matter what they say, even if it seems "strange or unusual," makes no sense and we disagree with it.

    Of course the reason we must obey is very clear: Because they say so!

    Listen, Obey and Be Blessed! - It's a cult!

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  • LostGeneration
    LostGeneration

    Thanks billy!

    The more I think about this I have to agree that it looks like they are going to be reaching into the back pockets of the rank and file.

    Whatever it is, I think we may get a hint of it at the DCs this summer, they are prepping the troops for obedience at all costs.

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    Everything in the New Testament, including Jesus, is completely ignored in this article. While par. 17 instructs to do whatever you're told, many verses from the Christian Greek Scriptures say otherwise...

    Romans 12:1 Consequently I entreat YOU by the compassions of God, brothers, to present YOUR bodies a sacrifice living, holy, acceptable to God, a sacred service with YOUR power of reason . 2 And quit being fashioned after this system of things, but be transformed by making YOUR mind over that YOU may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

    It says "power of reason" and "prove to yourselves" not "unquestioning obedience" and "blindly accept." And, as usual, this verse is completely ignored...

    1 Cor. 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ

    There is no organization or elders or Governing Body mentioned. Christ is head of every Christian, and faith should be based on his teachings, not on obscure quotes from ancient prophets during the era of the Mosaic Law.

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Paragraph 1

    • "SOMETIME between 762 B.C.E. and 759 B.C.E" - This should be 734 and 732

    Paragraph 6

    • "Ahaz died in 746" - This should be 716/15

    Paragraph 9

    • ". . . the Assyrians conquered the northern kingdom . . ." - This is c. 722/21
    • "In the fourteenth year of King Hezekiah . . ." - This is 701

    Paragraph 10

    • "Hezekiah was aware of the approaching danger, but rather than desperately enlist the help of a pagan nation . . ." -

    also

    • "Hezekiah placed his trust in Jehovah" -

    This is not the whole story. 2 Kings 18:13 is quoted in the previous paragraph. But note Hezekiah's immediate response as told in verses 13-16:

    (2 Kings 18:13-16 NWT) 13 And in the fourteenth year of King Hez·e·ki′ah, Sen·nach′er·ib the king of As·syr′i·a came up against all the fortified cities of Judah and proceeded to seize them. 14 So Hez·e·ki′ah the king of Judah sent to the king of As·syr′i·a at La′chish, saying: “I have sinned. Turn back from against me. Whatever you may impose upon me I shall carry.” Accordingly the king of As·syr′i·a laid upon Hez·e·ki′ah the king of Judah three hundred silver talents and thirty gold talents. 15 Therefore Hez·e·ki′ah gave all the silver that was to be found at the house of Jehovah and in the treasures of the king’s house. 16 At that time Hez·e·ki′ah cut off the doors of the temple of Jehovah and the doorposts that Hez·e·ki′ah the king of Judah had overlaid and then gave them to the king of As·syr′i·a.

    But also prior to this. Around 706 Assyrian monarch Sargon died in battle. The NICOT-Isaiah commentary (Vol I p.10) says:

    [Start quote]

    • The hearts of those oppressed by Assyria leapt up and revolts broke out anew. . . In Babylon the perennial war-horse, Merodach-baladan, once again emerged. It is unclear whether it was at this time or at some prior time to 710 that his envoys had visited Hezekiah (Isa. 39:1). At either time their purpose would have been the same: encouraging a fellow opponent of the Assyrian machine.

    • For whatever reason Hezekiah rose to the bait on this occasion. He became the moving force in a new coalition composed of Philistia, Judah, Edom, and Moab. The Philistines were evidently reluctant to join, so following the very same policy Israel and Syria had tried on Judah thirty years earlier [see paragraph 1 of WT study article - Bobcat], Hezekiah attacked them, deposed their king, and installed a man who would take his orders.

    [End quote]

  • designs
    designs

    Is this like the Dukes of Hazard!

  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    Social scientists have found that while some group members will leave after the date for a doomsday prediction by the leader has passed uneventfully, others actually feel their belief and commitment to the group strengthened. Often when a group's doomsday prophecies or predictions fail to come true, the group leader will simply set a new date for impending doom, or predict a different type of catastrophe on a different date.Niederhoffer and Kenner say: "When you have gone far out on a limb and so many people have followed you, and there is much "sunk cost," as economists would say, it is difficult to admit you have been wrong."

    In Experiments With People: Revelations from Social Psychology, Abelson, Frey and Gregg explain this further: "..continuing to proselytize on behalf of a doomsday cult whose prophecies have been disconfirmed, although it makes little logical sense, makes plenty of psychological sense if people have already spent months proselytizing on the cult's behalf. Persevering allows them to avoid the embarrassment of how wrong they were in the first place."The common-held belief in a catastrophic event occurring on a future date can have the effect of ingraining followers with a sense of uniqueness and purpose. In addition, after a failed prophecy members may attempt to explain the outcome through rationalization and dissonance reduction.

    Explanations may include stating that the group members had misinterpreted the leader's original plan, that the cataclysmic event itself had been postponed to a later date by the leader, or that the activities of the group itself had forestalled disaster. In the case of the Festinger study, when the prophecy of a cataclysmic flood was proved false, the members pronounced that their faith in God had prevented the event. They then proceeded to attempt to convert new members with renewed strength.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_cult

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    There were 6 Dukes of Hazzard: Uncle Jesse, Daisy, Bo, Luke, Coy, and Vance. They did have numerous allies.

    Perhaps if we consider Boss Hogg to be the modern day Assyrian, Micah's prophecy would have an interesting fulfillment!

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Paragraph 16

    • "The prophecy about seven shepherds and eight dukes has its major fulfillment in our day."

    The McCominsky commentary on Micah (p. 709) offers a slightly different view of its application. Timewise, it applies it to the entire Messianic era with "the Assyrian" being representative of any or all of Messiah's enemies. The Society is taking "when he comes into our land and when he treads upon our dwelling towers" from Micah 5:5 to refer to an ultimate, final invasion. Whereas the McCominsky is viewing the Assyrian as an ongoing threat during Messiah's rule (which began about 33 CE.)

    • "The prophecy finds its fulfillment in the church: Christ is raising up elders and gifted people to protect it against evil people (Rom 12:3-8; 1 Cor 12; Eph 4:7-13; Titus 1:5-9; The WT translates Ephesians 4:8 as "gifts in men," giving an 'elders only' flavor to the verse. A literal translation would read "gifts to people," in line with what verse 7 says about 'Christ measuring out the free gift to each one.')

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