"Feeling sorry for yourself" about being hit by your husband is not Christian 2/15/12 WT Page 25 P 12

by yourmomma 449 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • sir82
    sir82

    To get an idea of just how outrageous this is:

    Compare what the WT wrote about Greek runners competing in the nude, from the 9/15/11 WT, page 21:

    In such cases, the runners stripped
    themselves of any extraneous weight or burden
    that could slow them down. While we
    would object to their lack of modesty and
    propriety
    , they ran that way with the sole
    objective of winning the prize.

    Oh my heavens! Stars above! How immodest! How immoral! Nude males!

    We'd best put in the sentence highlighted in yellow, lest we give the impression this is somehow acceptable! Let us not reproach Jehovah's name!

    Compared to the following from the 2/15/11 WT:

    Selma recalls a lesson she learned
    from theWitness who studied with her.
    “On one particular day,” says Selma, “I
    didn’t want to have a Bible study. The
    night before, Steve had hit me as I had
    tried to prove a point, and I was feeling
    sad and sorry for myself. After I told
    the sister what had happened and how
    I felt, she asked me to read 1 Corinthians
    13:4-7. As I did, I began to reason,
    ‘Steve never does any of these loving
    things for me.’ But the sister made me
    think differently by asking, ‘How many
    of those acts of love do you show toward
    your husband?’ My answer was,
    ‘None, for he is so difficult to live with.’
    The sister softly said, ‘Selma, who is
    trying to be a Christian here? You or
    Steve?’ Realizing that I needed to adjust
    my thinking, I prayed to Jehovah to help
    me be more loving toward Steve. Slowly,
    things started to change.”After 17 years,
    Steve accepted the truth.

    Wife-beating?

    Oh that's fine, as long as he was fully clothed.

    That gives you an idea of Watchtower morality.

    A comment from a "worldly" source about nude male needs a caveat explaining their horror and disgust, but an account of wife-beating is just presented as-is.

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Good comparison, Sir82...

  • Scully
    Scully

    Disgusting.

    I am so glad I don't have to peddle that appalling bull$h!t to other people, who actually have their heads screwed on straight, anymore.

  • Dagney
    Dagney

    {{{shiver}}}

    My mother was told to "suffer in silence" when my father was abusive in all ways...worse when he was drunk. What a number it on her and us.

    Sort of speechless that example was used and as mentioned, the abuse dismissed over the kudos to the wife for hangin in until the husband became a JW.

    Nice.

  • Violia
    Violia

    The wts seems to be shooting themselves in the foot. Surely they must realize how this article will go over with most people.

  • Scully
    Scully

    what they're saying is don't push someone past his or her limits.

    if you don't learn to respect someone's limits bad things can happen

    Well I guess that makes it okay then. Are you effing kidding me?? Are you well??

    AnneB's compendium of circumstances where wife beating is acceptable encompasses any situation where a man feels his limits have been infringed.

    • disagreeing with him or "trying to prove a point"
    • treating him disrespectfully, the way he dishes out to you
    • etc.

    Complete and utter horse$h!t.

  • ReallyTrulyAthena
    ReallyTrulyAthena

    I don't know whether to out-right laugh at the preposterousness of the WT, or cry, or scream in anger. Fracken' unbelievable. There's no concern WHATSOEVER for the victim. No help offered. Only "put YOUR feelings aside, you horrible wife and maybe he'll hold off on smackin' ya." All written up as another thinly-veiled sales pitch of how to bring people into the truth, by utterly shoving down who you are as a person. I can almost picture the scene at the KH: "Hey LOOK! Here's Brother Wife-Beater! Isn't it amazing? His wife took all those hits on the chin and 17 years later, here he is." [backslaps and high fives]........[awkward silence...looks over at the wife]....."Gee, why the long face, Sister Feelin' Sorry for Yourself? PRAISE JAH!"

    AnneB -

    Emotions aside, what they're saying is don't push someone past his or her limits. Makes sense and there's nothing wrong with it.....They're using an inflammatory example, but the point would be the same no matter what example they used: Don't push people past their limits. They're not saying it's right to hit, they're saying if you don't learn to respect someone's limits bad things can happen.....The point is how to dodge bullets, not how to judge others.

    I don't know where to start as I'm simply flabbergasted. Are you some sort of apologist for spousal abuse? Respect and honor is a two-way street. Yes, everyone has their limits. I've got my limits too, but you know what? If someone pushes my limits, that does not give me the right to haul off and physically assault someone (unless they've assaulted me as part of the "limit pushing", and I must fight back in self-defense). Especially coming from your spouse who committed to "love, honor and cherish" - not "love, honor and beat up, should she be askin' for it."

    Yeah, that'd play out in court -- Judge: "Sir, why did you pop your wife in the nose?" Husband: "Well, I dunno. I was feeling off that night and she sorta asked for it." Judge: "Oh, well why didn't you say so? Case dismissed!" NOT.

    Also, this WT scenario (I'm surprised the unbelieving mate's name wasn't ANDRE) depicted the hubby as a hothead and to me, someone with anger management issues. What if hubby's "limits" changed from day to day? How is SHE to know where those limits are? Thus, the walking on eggshells. The abuse could come from out of no-where....how is that on HER?

    To flip the coin - and as with other's experience on this board - what about being hit by your "Christian"/JW husband? Reading this thread brought everything back for me. The abuse. The pushing and shoving. How many times my JW husband told me, "Go ahead and cry, no one will hear you." (I carried that particular phrase around with me for years. It affected me so deeply that I wouldn't cry at anything as I thought no one would hear.....or even care...so better to be just dead inside.) Other times - "The police can't do anything - I'm hitting you with the flat of my hand, not a closed fist." Grabbing a hold of me in a fight & bear-hugging me so hard I thought my sternum would snap. The quiet tense argument at one assembly during a lunch break, him grabbing me by the arm and squeezing so hard, it left bruises. The quiet flash of "take that" in his eyes, as he knew the bruise would show in front of everyone (I was wearing a dress with shorter sleeves and didn't have a sweater or jacket). My JW father did nothing. For years after, I had major trust and intimacy issues. I just put my "Self" into a little ball and hid that away, "feeling sorry for myself" and drowning my sorrows in as much alcohol as I could, I felt so worthless. I wasn't a good little JW wife to him like he wanted me to be and my JW husband showed me just how bad I was in his own special way. I was one of those "not so noble" individuals who purposefully commited a wrongdoing, just so I could be DF'd...just so I could escape. Escape from him and the abuse and the cult. It took me a long time to view "me" as something that was worth a damn. A very long time.

    Sorry for the longer post and for going off on a tangent. Thanks for listening.

    Back to the article at hand, Abuse is abuse is abuse. There are NO excuses. In yet more horrible ways, the WT proves themselves to be despicable in their suppression of a victim's rights. There is no support or solace offered, only how much more the victim should just shut up. Go ahead, keep trying to sweep stuff like this under the rug, WT. The REAL TRUTH is out there and thank goodness for the internet...the real truth will be found.

    Peace,

    ~ RTA

  • sd-7
    sd-7

    Yeah, this is unreal. I thought there was an awful lot of loaded language in this article, anyway, but that's just wrong. She put up with this guy, who probably kept right on hitting her, for 17 years. Yet because it didn't qualify as "extreme physical abuse", she had to continue to take it, or else the Borg would've done some spiritual and emotional hitting of its own.

    --sd-7

  • poopsiecakes
    poopsiecakes

    Group squeeze for all the ladies who have suffered abuse in any form.

  • EmptyInside
    EmptyInside

    It's quite irresponsible to encourage a wife to stay with her abusive husband. What if this situation went the other way,and the woman ended up in the hospital she was beat up so bad,or worse, dead.

    There is no excuse for this.

    I know a Witness woman who was abused and controlled by her husband,and he at the very least verbally abused the kids. I found out recently,the son now beats his wife. It's a vicious cycle.

    I'm starting another thread on bad personal advice Witnesses give to their Bible students.

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