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"THE SPIRIT THAT NOW OPERATES IN THE SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE"
by mrsjones5 86 Replies latest jw friends
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OUTLAW
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diamondiiz
Pj : I thought you were going to use your head and learn about wts but it seems you're still closed to realization that wts is NOT God's organization but is a fraud. GB are bunch of jack asses who are so arrogent that they go out and preach they are backed by Christ and God! What proof is there? what they're saying is what anybody on this planet can say and if they have blind followers that will accept their vomit then great but anyone with any intelligence that will examine them will realize that they are nothing but another men run religion full of themselves and full of crap. For anyone to say that whoever speaks against wts or GB is speaking against GOD is totally wrong and in fact has cult mentality which cannot reason on it's own and needs to break free from the cult to even see half clearly because what you wrote above is totally nonsense. If anything GB follow themselves of the angel who turns himself into and angel of light and decieves all those that follow that one - GB are blood guilty men who are responsible for death of thousands of inocent witnesses, they have incited persecution on their own while they hide behind walls. Too bad Rutherford was released from prison because that ass should have stayed there and would have caused less misary than when he got out. I can't believe you come here and don't even examine the facts about wts. Do research on Malawi and Mexico scandal and please tell us your view of gb who is supposedly backed by Christ and God because if God has no problem of seeing his poor black worshippers raped, tortured and murdered while blessing deception of Mexican worshippers then that is not the God that is presented in the bible. GB is scum of the earth in my books and I have and will speak against them because they have nothing to do with goodness and rightiousness.
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jookbeard
Ship; what am I asking for? LOL, I'll repent and ask for forgiveness as soon as the WTS does in all the young kids/babies that they've forced to murder
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AllTimeJeff
Standard formula for some JW apologists:
Make dogmatic claim asserting authority of GB and/or your destruction for leaving the cult known as Jehovah's Witnesses
Be shown that JW's are not the truth. Also, bring out how JW's are not supposed to post on internet forums discussing JW dogma.
Be ignored by said apologist.
Conclusion: Evidence shows a button pushing sh*t stirrer. No need to feed the Chipper....
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jookbeard
Ship ;I'll speak out aloud to your God and tell him his is a fraud, murderer, and a minor deity that shouldn't be concerned about a thousand times, I'd rather bow down to the great Satan/Beelzebub/Lucifer because neither exist, I'll shout out a thousand times to Satan to come and enter my home, but he wont come
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MadGiant
A cult of personality arises when a country's leader uses mass media to create an idealized and heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise. Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships and Stalinist governments.
A cult of personality is similar to general hero worship , except that it is created specifically for political leaders. However, the term may be applied by analogy to refer to adulation of religious or non-political leaders.
How many propaganda techniques could be applied to the paragraph?
A Latin phrase that has come to mean attacking your opponent, as opposed to attacking their arguments.
This argument approach uses tireless repetition of an idea. An idea, especially a simple slogan, that is repeated enough times, may begin to be taken as the truth. This approach works best when media sources are limited and controlled by the propagator.
Appeals to authority cite prominent figures to support a position, idea, argument, or course of action.
Appeals to fear seek to build support by instilling anxieties and panic in the general population, for example, Joseph Goebbels exploited Theodore Kaufman's Germany Must Perish! to claim that the Allies sought the extermination of the German people.
Using loaded or emotive terms to attach value or moral goodness to believing the proposition.
Bandwagon and "inevitable-victory" appeals attempt to persuade the target audience to join in and take the course of action that "everyone else is taking."
· Inevitable victory : invites those not already on the bandwagon to join those already on the road to certain victory. Those already or at least partially on the bandwagon are reassured that staying aboard is their best course of action.
· Join the crowd : This technique reinforces people's natural desire to be on the winning side. This technique is used to convince the audience that a program is an expression of an irresistible mass movement and that it is in their best interest to join.
Presenting only two choices, with the product or idea being propagated as the better choice. (e.g., "You are either with us, or you are with the enemy")
- Beautiful people
The type of propaganda that deals with famous people or depicts attractive, happy people. This makes other people think that if they buy a product or follow a certain ideology, they too will be happy or successful.
The repeated articulation of a complex of events that justify subsequent action. The descriptions of these events have elements of truth, and the "big lie" generalizations merge and eventually supplant the public's accurate perception of the underlying events. After World War I the German Stab in the back explanation of the cause of their defeat became a justification for Nazi re-militarization and revanchist aggression.
The "'plain folks'" or "common man" approach attempts to convince the audience that the propagandist's positions reflect the common sense of the people. It is designed to win the confidence of the audience by communicating in the common manner and style of the target audience. Propagandists use ordinary language and mannerisms (and clothe their message in face-to-face and audiovisual communications) in attempting to identify their point of view with that of the average person. For example, a propaganda leaflet may make an argument on a macroeconomic issue, such as unemployment insurance benefits, using everyday terms: "given that the country has little money during this recession, we should stop paying unemployment benefits to those who do not work, because that is like maxing out all your credit cards during a tight period, when you should be tightening your belt."
Making individuals from the opposing nation, from a different ethnic group, or those who support the opposing viewpoint appear to be subhuman (e.g., the Vietnam War -era term "gooks" for National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam aka Vietcong, (or 'VC') soldiers), worthless, or immoral, through suggestion or false accusations.
This technique hopes to simplify the decision making process by using images and words to tell the audience exactly what actions to take, eliminating any other possible choices. Authority figures can be used to give the order, overlapping it with the Appeal to authority technique, but not necessarily. The Uncle Sam "I want you" image is an example of this technique.
The creation or deletion of information from public records, in the purpose of making a false record of an event or the actions of a person or organization, including outright forgery of photographs, motion pictures, broadcasts, and sound recordings as well as printed documents.
The use of an event that generates euphoria or happiness, or using an appealing event to boost morale. Euphoria can be created by declaring a holiday, making luxury items available, or mounting a military parade with marching bands and patriotic messages.
An attempt to justify an action on the grounds that doing so will make one more patriotic, or in some way benefit a group, country, or idea. The feeling of patriotism this technique attempts to inspire may not necessarily diminish or entirely omit one's capability for rational examination of the matter in question.
Glittering generalities are emotionally appealing words applied to a product or idea, but which present no concrete argument or analysis. A famous example is the campaign slogan "Ford has a better idea!"
A half-truth is a deceptive statement, which may come in several forms and includes some element of truth. The statement might be partly true, the statement may be totally true but only part of the whole truth, or it may utilize some deceptive element, such as improper punctuation, or double meaning, especially if the intent is to deceive, evade blame or misrepresent the truth.
Generalities are deliberately vague so that the audience may supply its own interpretations. The intention is to move the audience by use of undefined phrases, without analyzing their validity or attempting to determine their reasonableness or application. The intent is to cause people to draw their own interpretations rather than simply being presented with an explicit idea. In trying to "figure out" the propaganda, the audience forgoes judgment of the ideas presented. Their validity, reasonableness and application may still be considered.
A Euphemism is used when the propagandist attempts to increase the perceived quality, credibility, or creedence of a particular ideal. A Dysphemism is used when the intent of the propagandist is to discredit, diminish the perceived quality, or hurt the perceived righteousness of the Mark. By creating a 'label' or 'category' or 'faction' of a population, it is much easier to make an example of these larger bodies, because they can uplift or defame the Mark without actually incuring legal-defamation. Example: "Liberal" is a dysphamsim intended to diminish the perceived credibility of a particular Mark. By taking a displeasing argument presented by a Mark, the propagandist can quote that person, and then attack 'liberals' in an attempt to both (1) create a political battle-ax of unaccountable aggression and (2) diminish the quality of the Mark. If the propagandist uses the label on too-many perceivably credible individuals, muddying up the word can be done by broadcasting bad-examples of 'liberals' into the media. Labeling can be thought of as a sub-set of Guilt by association , another logical fallacy.
Propagandists use the name-calling technique to incite fears and arouse prejudices in their hearers in the intent that the bad names will cause hearers to construct a negative opinion about a group or set of beliefs or ideas that the propagandist would wish hearers to denounce. The method is intended to provoke conclusions about a matter apart from impartial examinations of facts. Name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against the an idea or belief on its own merits. [7]
This technique is used to persuade a target audience to disapprove of an action or idea by suggesting that the idea is popular with groups hated, feared, or held in contempt by the target audience. Thus if a group that supports a certain policy is led to believe that undesirable, subversive, or contemptible people support the same policy, then the members of the group may decide to change their original position. This is a form of bad logic, where a is said to include X, and b is said to include X, therefore, a = b.
Favorable generalities are used to provide simple answers to complex social, political, economic, or military problems.
Selective editing quotes to change meanings—political documentaries designed to discredit an opponent or an opposing political viewpoint often make use of this technique.
Individuals or groups may use favorable generalities to rationalize questionable acts or beliefs. Vague and pleasant phrases are often used to justify such actions or beliefs.
Presenting data or issues that, while compelling, are irrelevant to the argument at hand, and then claiming that it validates the argument.
This type of propaganda deals with a jingle or word that is repeated over and over again, thus getting it stuck in someones head, so they can buy the product. The "Repetition" method has been described previously.
Assigning blame to an individual or group, thus alleviating feelings of guilt from responsible parties and/or distracting attention from the need to fix the problem for which blame is being assigned.
A slogan is a brief, striking phrase that may include labeling and stereotyping. Although slogans may be enlisted to support reasoned ideas, in practice they tend to act only as emotional appeals. Opponents of the US's invasion and occupation of Iraq use the slogan "blood for oil" to suggest that the invasion and its human losses was done to access Iraq's oil riches. On the other hand, "hawks" who argue that the US should continue to fight in Iraq use the slogan "cut and run" to suggest that it would be cowardly or weak to withdraw from Iraq. Similarly, the names of the military campaigns, such as "enduring freedom" or "just cause", may also be regarded to be slogans, devised to influence people.
This technique attempts to arouse prejudices in an audience by labeling the object of the propaganda campaign as something the target audience fears, hates, loathes, or finds undesirable. For instance, reporting on a foreign country or social group may focus on the stereotypical traits that the reader expects, even though they are far from being representative of the whole country or group; such reporting often focuses on the anecdotal . In graphic propaganda, including war posters, this might include portraying enemies with stereotyped racial features.
Testimonials are quotations, in or out of context, especially cited to support or reject a given policy, action, program, or personality. The reputation or the role (expert, respected public figure, etc.) of the individual giving the statement is exploited. The testimonial places the official sanction of a respected person or authority on a propaganda message. This is done in an effort to cause the target audience to identify itself with the authority or to accept the authority's opinions and beliefs as its own. See also, damaging quotation
Also known as association, this is a technique that involves projecting the positive or negative qualities of one person, entity, object, or value onto another to make the second more acceptable or to discredit it. It evokes an emotional response, which stimulates the target to identify with recognized authorities. Often highly visual, this technique often utilizes symbols superimposed over other visual images. These symbols may be used in place of words; for example, placing swastikas on or around a picture of an opponent to associate the opponent with Naziism.
This technique is used when the propaganda concept that the propagandist intends to transmit would seem less credible if explicitly stated. The concept is instead repeatedly assumed or implied.
These are words in the value system of the target audience that produce a positive image when attached to a person or issue. Peace, happiness, security, wise leadership, freedom, "The Truth", etc. are virtue words. In countries such as the U.S. religiosity is seen as a virtue, making associations to this quality affectively beneficial. See Transfer
Take care,
Ismael
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shamus100
Well at least one came to their senses! Ever heard of reminders? Jook, your really asking for it! Time is running out for you all!!!! Pray for forgiveness! I'll pray for your expiation... Stephen you know your in a cult! What channel are you tuned into?
AAAUGH!!! AAAUGH!!!! NO... NO.... PLEASE, BRING ME TO THE PARADISE. I WOULD LOVE TO BE YOUR NEIGHBOUR BY THE WATERFALL. PRAY FOR ME BROTHER... PRAY FOR ME. I REPENT IN ASHES... PLEASE TELL JEHOVAH THAT I WANT TO BE SAVED. PRAY SPECIFICALLY THAT SHAMUS100 NEEDS HELP.
THANK YOU BROTHER, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, AND I HOPE TO SEE YOU IN PARADISE. YOU ARE SO GOOD - I KISS YOU. KISS THE MONKEY!!!
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jookbeard
it doesnt hurt Ship, it just means the WTS is wrong both in the message and the messenger that brings these lies.
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Saoirse
Who is the faithful slave, that provides spiritual food?
A faithful slave of God does not make false prophecies
Look at the track record of the WTBTS:
- 1899 "...the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' ( Revelation 16:14 ), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
- 1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89.)
- 1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262.)
- 1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
- 1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time...and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
- 1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
- 1971 "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." (The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah; 1971; 2nd ed.; p. 216)
- 1980 If the wicked system of this world survived until the turn of the century (the year 2000), which is highly improbable in view of world trends and the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, there would still be survivors of the World War I generation. However, the fact that their number is dwindling is one more indication that "the conclusion of the system of things" is moving fast toward its end. (The Watchtower, Oct. 15, 1980, p. 31)
1984 Some of that "generation (of 1914)" could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that "the end" is much closer than that! (The Watchtower, March 1, 1984 pp. 18-19)
- 1989 "The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century." (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1989, p. 12 [bound volume changed "20th century" to "day"])
How can one be considered faithful if they repeatedly lie and make false predictions ? I see nothing faithful about that. PJ, I'm praying that God opens your eyes. He loves you and wants to have a relationship with you. No GB needed.
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AllTimeJeff
alltime, I don't want blood on my hands. All the points I make is our of truely looking out for the concerns of everyone. For those who want their consciences to be soothed, I saw recovery sites on the net. If what I say hurts, you can tune me out.
Chipper, the problem isn't that you believe you have the truth, its that you are being self righteous about it, and putting yourself in the seat of Jehovah.
In addition, you come here against the direction of the Governing Body you claim to support, which is a rather odd paradox.
The blood on the hands of the GB in terms of their inflexibility with blood medicine, shunning DF'd family who later hurt themselves or die because of having proper resources cut off from them (like my brother, so trust me, don't pick a fight with me on that one) sounds worse then simply disagreeing with dogma.
You believe that only 7 million JW's out of 7 billion people will live forever. Bloodguilt? No. Your exclusive dogma means you are in a cult, and your are promoting cult beliefs.