WHAT do YOU know about LUCIFER... and His teachings? (page 9)

greendawn

That is the age old satanic propaganda God being oppressive and tyrranical and satan rebelling out of kindness and love for the oppressed creation. I don't know why anyone would accept such utter nonsense which is in fact the turning of the truth round on its head.

I propose that satan rebelled out of self seeking motives and that fortunately God allowed him a measure of power over the world to rule over mankind and show his real character.

Thousands of years later everyone should know what satan stands for and it is nothing good. Anyone that is so disconnected from reality and believes that satan is something good for mankind deserve the ultimate fate of this criminal.

IP_SEC

I don't know why anyone would accept such utter nonsense which is in fact the turning of the truth round on its head.

Very, very true greendawn. Believing in utter nonsense such as these fairy tales is ridiculous.

Anti-Christ

Great topic Lore! The way I see it if the bible is true ( I don't think so but let us pretend ) it tell us that the first humans did not have the knowledge of good or evil, some see that as a metaphor, others as literal. Let's pretend it is literal. God, in the bible, is the boss, he decides what is good or bad, no argument, if you don't obey, you die. Some will say that Satan damned humanity but was it not god that created the universe such a way that "sin" would be transmitted to the rest of humankind through the act of just two? Like Lore mentioned, god not only did that but he cursed the soil and all the rest that followed. The problem I see with all of this is when you have one way of seeing things, you end up with a black and white, us against them attitude, Satan vs. God. There is no middle ground, if you are not with me you are against me.

One more thing, why did god created us in the first place? If you look at the bible for an answer, all I see is he wants to be worshiped EXCLUSIVLY, so in a way he created us for a purely selfish reason.

nvrgnbk

ALEISTER CROWLEY : SATANIST
by 'Thelemite'

-------------------------- HYMN TO LUCIFER -----------------------
-------

Ware, nor of good nor ill, what aim hath act?
Without its climax, death, what saviour hath
Life? an impeccable machine, exact
He paces an inane and pointless path
To glut brute appetites, his sole content
How tedious were he fit to comprehend
Himself! More, this our noble element
Of fire in nature, love in spirit, unkenned
Life hath no spring, no axle, and no end.

His body a blood-ruby radiant
With noble passion, sun-souled Lucifer
Swept through the dawn colossal, swift aslant
On Eden's imbecile perimeter.
He blessed nonentity with every curse
And spiced with sorrow the dull soul of sense,
Breathed life into the sterile universe,
With Love and Knowledge drove out innocence
The Key of Joy is disobedience.

According to Israel Regardie, "anyone who says Crowley was a
Satanist and a devil-worshipper should have his head examined." Crowley's own references to Satan are stated by Regardie as
being
due to his desire to shock, be defiant, sarcastic or witty. (Regardie,
The
Eye in the Triangle).
Let us therefore consider the writings of Crowley himself to see
whether the 'Satanism' of this remarkable personality can be so
readily
dismissed.
Crowley's literary executor and biographer, John Symonds,
writes:
"Crowley's philosophy takes a bit from here and a bit from there...
but...
he was more a Satanist than anything else. 'I serve my great Master
Satan', he wrote in one of his franker confessions, 'and that august
Council composed of Beelzebub, Lucifuge, Asmodeus, Belphegor, Baal,
Adrammelech, Lilith and Nahema.': (John Symonds, The Great Beast).

RESTORING DEVIL WORSHIP

In his major work Magick in Theory & Practice, Crowley
describes
the manner in which Satan fits into his intricate cosmology: the Aeon
of
Horus, which he believed he was destined and chosen to proclaim to
mankind,
includes the formula FIAOF of which the 'O' component is "The
exalted
'Devil' (also the other secret Eye [phallic worship]) by the formula of
the
initiates of Horus... This 'Devil' is called Satan or Shaitan, and
regarded with horror by people who are ignorant of his formula...
"... We have therefore no scruple in restoring the 'devil
worship'
of such ideas...
"Thus the 'Devil' is Capricornus, the Goat who leaps upon the
loftiest mountains, the Godhead which, became manifest in man,
makes him
Aegipan, the All."

DEFINING THE DEVIL

Crowley's conception of the 'Devil' is not too far removed from
that of contemporary Satanists. Crowley states that "The Devil does
not
exist", but then goes on to explain that "The 'Devil' is, historically, the
God of any people that one personally dislikes. This has led to so
much
confusion of though that the Beast 666 [Crowley] has preferred to let
names
stand as they are, and to proclaim simply that Aiwaz -
solar-phallic-hermetic - 'Lucifer' - is his own Holy Guardian Angel
[Higher
Self] and 'the Devil' Satan or Hadit of our particular unit of the Starry
Universe. This Serpent, Satan is not the enemy of man, but he who
made
gods of our race, knowing Good and Evil..."
In his ritual for the Attainment of Knowledge and Conversation
of
his Holy Guardian Angel, Crowley identifies himself as the servant of
Satan, "the Devil, out Lord..." ... "whose number of magick is 666, the
seal of his servant the Beast"(Crowley).
The occult author Kenneth Grant, a former student of Crowley's
and
head of an English OTO lodge, comments that "this whole ritual is an
invocation of Shaitan (Satan) or Set", Crowley's aim being union "with
his
Angel, Shaitan-Aiwaz."
Satan is, in Crowley's cosmology, "the Sun-Father, the vibration
of
Life that Flames with this cosmic Energy", the solar-Phallic Current.
In a ritual "to invoke the Energies of the Aeon of Horus, the
ritual of the Mark of the Beast", the powers of ShT are called forth,
ShT
being Set/Satan/Shaitan, on which, writes Grant, "are concentrated
the
magical energies of the New Aeon."

CULT OF SHAITAN

Grant, in contradiction to Regardie, writes that Crowley's
Thelemic
philosophy (a synthesis of Nietzscheanism, Eastern and Western
mysticism,
gnosticism and mythology expressed in his own powerful poetical
style) is
Satanic or Shaitanic. Grant writes that Shaitan was the Chaldean form of the Egyptian
Set. "The cult of Shaitan was established in Sumer by the prophet
Yezid...
Crowley... revived the cult of Shaitan or Set." (Grant, Outside The
Circles of Time).
It was Shaitan whom Crowley equated with Aiwaz, his own
unconscious
(Holy Guardian Angel); it was Baphomet, the idol of the Templars
which
Crowley adopted as one of his titles, which he equates with the 'Devil'
(Crowley, 777 & Other Qabalistic Writings) and who but an inspired
Satanist
could write these powerful lines (?):

"With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs
upon
the cross.
"I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed and blind him.
"With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the
Buddhist,
Mongol and Din.
"Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds.
"Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all
chaste women be utterly despised among you!" (Liber AL).

Get it yet?

No baby sacrifice.

No goats.

Satan is a metaphor.

God is a metaphor.

Both real, born from and perpetually restylized throughout aeons of human consciousness.

Neither what we think them to be.

Satan thanks you for paying attention this important announcement.

greendawn

"One more thing, why did god created us in the first place? If you look at the bible for an answer, all I see is he wants to be worshiped EXCLUSIVLY, so in a way he created us for a purely selfish reason."

This is the exlusive right of a creator rather than a selfish act. He gives life and has some rights as a result, nothing onerous just recognition of this fact and to behave sensibly among fellow humans.

HockeyMullet

Good grief! I love how all the god fearing, warm hearted christians are basically telling the non god squad that they deserve to die. It's just like we're back at the kingdumb hall again!

nvrgnbk

Pretty surreal, huh, HockeyMullet?

HockeyMullet

I guess the 666 embedded in my scalp makes me a little touchy on threads like this.

Anti-Christ

This is the exclusive right of a creator rather than a selfish act. He gives life and has some rights as a result, nothing onerous just recognition of this fact and to behave sensibly among fellow humans.

The last thing you wrote I agree with, no problem, but the rights he has are self given, nobody to keep him in check. In the bible, god says kill children, you kill children. God says stone some one to death for gathering fire wood on the sabbath, you obey or suffer the consequence. If it was just as simple as to recognise him and to behave sensibly among fellow humans, I would have less of a problem with that. To have no other choice between the god of the bible and Satan, I would chose Satan but I don't believe the choice is that black or white, if there is a choice that is.

nvrgnbk

And so it is with my 999.

LHP, brother.

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