Fantastic quote on jwfacts Sparlock article

by cedars 115 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Fernando
    Fernando

    Great point OODAD.

    They can't afford to be upfront and open about what they are implying for fear that they might reveal their true identity - Pharisees - enemies of God and man.

    For example when dissecting doctrine they are implying we can be put right with God if we find and follow the "right" doctrines.

    This is apostate "ethnocentrism".

    This is an obvious heresy when examined against the full and true "good news" which promotes an imputed right standing as a "free gift" instead (justification).

  • inbetween
    inbetween

    just adding my 2 cents:

    Being still in, and having almost exclusively JW friends (yes I know, its sad, but as a born in what choice do you have)

    I know, how most JW will understand the WT lingo like this:

    "A christian would not do this or that": Forbidden

    "a conscience matter": actually do what you want, just dont make too much fuzz about it. Example the permission of civil services in about 1996, became a conscience matter, and practicall all male JW that i Know instead of being even ready to go to prison, started civil service.

    The new trick to work with explicit pictures or even videos is more understood to be in the first category than in the second.

    However, there are always some hardcore, who even interpret conscience matter as something forbidden....for them there is no change between the video and the awake article 1994.

    However, most witnesses would feel a difference and a tightening grip, or as AM III pointed out, appreciate a more straight forward language ;-)

    I see, why KS, as being no part of this special JW world, fail to see what impact certain mind controlling techniques have on witnesses.

  • sizemik
    sizemik
    At the end of the day, everyone should ask WHAT YOU hope to accomplish here on JWN: are you trying to expose TTATT in an honest and objective manner, or are you airing your personal anger and venting against the Society, or is there some other agenda?

    You need to understand something . . .

    People come here for a wide variety of reasons . . . but one of the chief benefits of this place is that it provides support for some very hurt and angry people. Their only "agenda" is survival. Some don't choose to vent . . . they need to. But you have absolutely no appreciation of that because you've never been a JW. What doesn't help is lurkers feeling that any contribution they might offer will get the venomous treatment you dish out. You can't reply to an opposing opinion without using a thinly veiled insult.

    If the accurate conveyance of TTATT is your passion . . . start a website of your own. If you have a beef with Cedars . . . he has his own site where you can make your points. This is a site for all Ex-JW's with a stated goal of being "friendly and welcoming" for that reason. It's not the headquarters of TATT, nor is it simply a stage for you to perform on. There is plenty you don't know.

    You probably like quotes, so I'll share this piece of advice Lord Chesterfield shared with his son . . .

    “Wear your learning like your watch, in a private pocket; and do not pull it out and strike it merely to show that you have one”

    I don't really care what your agenda is . . . but here on JWN, the good Dr is healing nobody.

  • dreamgolfer
    dreamgolfer

    Funny thing, I knew (had a magical Sparlock hunch) that this would end with a great post - Thank you sizemik!

    You summed it up very well, and may I point out that when Cedars asked "that it is time for the rubber to hit the road" the Rubber left,

    I see that as an objective "lurker" one who is interested in some of the statements made the cream rises to the top.

    I have found support, kindness and concern from many that have posted on this thread EXCEPT for KS. So the "proof is in the pudding"

    Cedars, and all, thank you for sticking with it and making this a happy ending

    Night all!

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    This is not about being kind but objective..

    I do believe that objectivity should win over sensationalism...

    -" wah wah wah, you are exagerating"

    -no, i am not... wah wah wah you just like to poke at me cuz you hate my guts

  • cedars
    cedars

    wah wah wah

    Interesting paraphrasing.

    Cedars

  • braincleaned
    braincleaned

    Wow... this debate forgets the whole point!

    The Awake 1994, 9/8, is clearly a far cry from the Sparlock video! One is soft and pushes conscience, and that latter clearly titles it's message "Become Jehovah's friend- Listen, Obey and Be Blessed."

    One is a suggestion, the other an order. If that is not clear, I dunno what is.

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    Sizemik, thanks for giving some much needed perspective to this thread.

    Certainly, we need to be accurate, clear and logical in our thinking. But we should also be kind and respectful in how we treat others.

    Let's leave the bullying and intimidation to the elders.

    00DAD

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    Since when was this site for the whole purpose of healing? Did you change it? This site is talk about JWs. You might not like that Mr wisdom wants wisdom on every statement but then again Mr Newspaper wants sensationalism in all of his.

    This is a public forum. Your statements are open to criticism, thats the whole point.

    If you want a healing place you Might want to start your own hospital.

    As long as your comments dont break the guideliness anything is valid....that is unlesss the mods think otherwise

  • cedars
    cedars

    cyberjesus

    Since when was this site for the whole purpose of healing? Did you change it?

    Nope. Not sure what you're on about.

    This site is talk about JWs.

    Wow, now the URL makes total sense! How did I not see that before?!

    This is a public forum. Your statements are open to criticism, thats the whole point.

    Yes, I know this.

    If you want a healing place you Might want to start your own hospital.

    Thanks for the advice.

    As long as your comments dont break the guideliness anything is valid....that is unlesss the mods think otherwise

    Thus ends today's lesson in how to state the obvious.

    Cedars

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