Posts by sauloftarsus

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Reminder: Hate speech on this forum is NOT tolerated

by Simon in

some of the comments on the anthony morris topics have been despicable.. if someone is an idiot or a biggot then they are damaging themselves.. if 'we' start posting vile filth, insults and threats then it doesn't convince anyone other than we're probably as bad..

sauloftarsus

What does it accomplish to talk or write negative comments? Nothing, but then again, everything. Will it bring down the Watchtower? No, but it makes us feel better to speak our truth it helps those who are seeking answers about this religion, it exposes the lies, the hypocrisy, the abuse of power

Point made. YOU PEOPLE JUST DISCRIBED EVERY RELIGION KNOWN TO MAN. What makes all religion any better. What MAKES as you said YOUR TRUTH anymore tangible. If thats your understanding, then the LIES, HYPOCRISY, AND ABUSE OF POWER comes from your end along side Catholics, Advents, Islam, Moromons, Evangelist, Judism ETC. So once again, what makes you any better. To speak the truth is not to force your point of views on others. without misrepresenting bible principles. Your all theologians I assume. Theology basicly started in the 1800's. Those that truly studied the bible are the remnants of what is taught today. PICK AND CHOSE ONE, OR MAKE YOUR OWN BECAUSE GOD GAVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAN ALL OF US, AND THEN MOVE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reminder: Hate speech on this forum is NOT tolerated

by Simon in

some of the comments on the anthony morris topics have been despicable.. if someone is an idiot or a biggot then they are damaging themselves.. if 'we' start posting vile filth, insults and threats then it doesn't convince anyone other than we're probably as bad..

sauloftarsus

I have been at this site for a short while. Since then I see only JW bashing from people that for whatever reason decided to voluntarily leave or was rebuked which gave them the condemnation to leave the organization. Many of you seriously condemn the GB and the WTBTS as manipulating, deceiving and misleading. Thus far, I have been called Satan’s Lion, insulted, called a psychopath, berated by 1 of your member with the handle Heathen WITH PROFANITY, all because I don’t agree with your point of views. Hasn’t it dawned on any of you, you have become exactly the same way you choose stop being a JW? I am an Ex-Witness while being flexible did show Heathen I would also not be disrespected by stooping to his level. I would figure that by attempting to have other people agree with your views and doctrine has just placed you in the same position you choose to leave an organization that’s sole purpose is to shine the light on Christ teaching while conforming to biblical principles. Then what would it matter or accomplish to talk or write negative comments about and organization or religion, to serve your own personal goals of repatriating people to your belief system. All religions are fallible because they are run by humans. Early biblical account show God had a personal relationship with men that held his commandments. When that was dissolved, Jesus stepped in to show humanity there was still an opportunity for humanity to fall into favor with God. But since God no longer had a personal relationship with man, He structured a written word for us to follow. That’s the bases of Christianity. What we cannot SEE or is UNSEEN it must be then taken in Faith. If the doctrines of the JW’s are not to your standards, then simply move to a religion that might be more acceptable to you. The majority of ADVENT ministries hold similar doctrines with basically the same structure. Catholics get their instructions passed down from the POPE, and they have a very strict structure for the high achy. They really don’t care about the member’s having knowledge of the bible. All religions have a structure, and if your disobedient to their belief system? They will shun you or kick you out. This is not unique to JW’s. Every religion has its own understanding of what the bible is attempting to say. Pick one, be happy, move on, and at the end, GOD WILL JUDGE US ALL ACCORDINGLY.

We would naturally expect Christianity in the last days to be patterned after the same structure of Christianity in the first century, after all, we are assured by Ephesians 4:11-17 that there would be gifts in men that would be "perfecting (correcting and readjusting) the holy ones clear up until the time that Christians have full understanding. I don't think anyone would say we have achieved that yet, so it is to be expected that those gifts in men, once the separation of the wheat and weeds began to commence, would once again assume the same responsibility as exercised by the Apostles of the first century.

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Billy's Comments You Won't Hear at the 01-26-2014 WT Study (Obey Jehovah's Shepherds))

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

fine.

holy spirit appointed overseers to shepherd?

6:1, 2; jude 22) are these not good reasons for being obedient to those who are taking the lead?read hebrews 13:17.. .

sauloftarsus

Data Dog, pick one:

John 20:29

Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Proverbs 14:15

The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps.

2 Corinthians 4:18

As we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.

James 2:14-17

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

John 20:31

But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Galatians 3:26

For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.

Psalm 14:1

To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.

Romans 14:1-23

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

John 9:1-41

As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

Luke 15:7

Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

Matthew 28:20

Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Matthew 5:5

“Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

Matthew 4:12-23

Now when he heard that John had been arrested, he withdrew into Galilee. And leaving Nazareth he went and lived in Capernaum by the sea, in the territory of Zebulun and Naphtali, so that what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: “The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles— the people dwelling in darkness have seen a great light, and for those dwelling in the region and shadow of death, on them a light has dawned.”

John 3:16

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Mark 16:16

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

1 John 1:9

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

John 20:1-31

Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. So she ran and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.” So Peter went out with the other disciple, and they were going toward the tomb. Both of them were running together, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. And stooping to look in, he saw the linen cloths lying there, but he did not go in.

Matthew 5:21-22

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

And as chosing Jesus, always without him, we wouldn't have ingorant discussions like we have now. and as for your Knight comment. Before deciding to insult someone, why don't you first smell what your shoveling because as a theologian your a poor example

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Is The Governing Body Over Jehovah's Witnesses A Bunch Of Arrogant Old Retirees Considering After All That They Claim To Be Christ's Right Hand Man Directing His Dad's Organization On Earth?

by frankiespeakin in

these guys believe that they are running and directing "god's organization" and it is all based on some flimsy parable interpetation about a master who left a slave in charge while he went away with the outcome uncertain upon his return.

not a very solid case to be pointedly honest.

jesus would have made a better choice of donald trump to run his father's business/watchtower corporation, he's less arrogant and doesn't discourage higher education, and plastic children's toys are not a major concern of his.. what is arrogance?.

sauloftarsus

Point made, with you JW haters, when the shoe is in the other foot, you don’t like it. You can dish it, but can’t take it. Seems the people who are in need of sociological help are yourselves.Your hatred has distorted any rational thought. I guess before getting involved in bible topics, you people should learn, then smell what your shoveling. The WT didn't make me, people like you did.

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Billy's Comments You Won't Hear at the 01-26-2014 WT Study (Obey Jehovah's Shepherds))

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

fine.

holy spirit appointed overseers to shepherd?

6:1, 2; jude 22) are these not good reasons for being obedient to those who are taking the lead?read hebrews 13:17.. .

sauloftarsus

If people hate hypocrisy, change religions. Perhaps the hypocrisy of other religions will be more accepting to you. Now for some ignorant reason, people keep saying the WT dictates. I believe the bases for their organization is solely based in bible principals. If you take time to read the bible, you’ll find, to be a true Christian, it take whole hearted love and discipline to be acceptable to God.

Wasn’t it Paul that wrote in Matthew 3: 10 But you have closely followed my teaching, my course of life, my purpose, my faith, my long-suffering, my love, my endurance, 11 my persecutions, my sufferings, the sort of things that happened to me in Antioch, in I·co´ni·um, in Lys´tra, the sort of persecutions I have borne; and yet out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 In fact, all those desiring to live with godly devotion in association with Christ Jesus will also be persecuted. 13 But wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse, misleading and being misled.

14 You, however, continue in the things that you learned and were persuaded to believe, knowing from what persons you learned them 15 and that from infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. Are these not the teaching of JW’s? I guess Pastor Russell made up this doctrine, pulled it out of a hat to mislead people. I wonder how many other religions do this. Perhaps you theologians can remember the blind faith Abraham had with his son when God told him to What! Maybe someone can enlighten me in my ignorance.

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Billy's Comments You Won't Hear at the 01-26-2014 WT Study (Obey Jehovah's Shepherds))

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

fine.

holy spirit appointed overseers to shepherd?

6:1, 2; jude 22) are these not good reasons for being obedient to those who are taking the lead?read hebrews 13:17.. .

sauloftarsus

Am I here to cause trouble? It would seem a bit ambiguous of people to say that when you do the same by bashing JW’s and their organization. Now about having members told to stay away from evil does is more represented in the bible than the organization you speak of. If you take time to see the outside world with an open mind, you’ll find plenty of religions that shun members for speaking badly about their religion and at times biblical offenses. You have the Advents, Mormons, Amish comes to mind. You also have several religions that will take shunning a step further, like the Jews, Islam, Orthodox Christians, however the last 2 won’t just shun you, they will kick your teeth in and beat you to a pulp for talking bad about their religion. However this last few weeks, you can add murder and killing to the last 2. Something we greatly enjoy in the U.S. when it comes to speech and religion. That’s why it’s pointless to advocate hatred of 1 religion over another, when you have the chose to choose whatever religions feels good to you, and be friends with people that will agree with without being called a cult or any other negative things that are truly against bible principles. You love to hate JW’s, but by doing so, in the eyes of GOD, you have become that of what you most hate, so once again, who is better. Judgment is not mine, yours when it comes to spiritual food, its Gods.

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Is The Governing Body Over Jehovah's Witnesses A Bunch Of Arrogant Old Retirees Considering After All That They Claim To Be Christ's Right Hand Man Directing His Dad's Organization On Earth?

by frankiespeakin in

these guys believe that they are running and directing "god's organization" and it is all based on some flimsy parable interpetation about a master who left a slave in charge while he went away with the outcome uncertain upon his return.

not a very solid case to be pointedly honest.

jesus would have made a better choice of donald trump to run his father's business/watchtower corporation, he's less arrogant and doesn't discourage higher education, and plastic children's toys are not a major concern of his.. what is arrogance?.

sauloftarsus

I’m an advent Crusader, last remnants of the Knights Templar, and an Ex-Witness. So in your perfect theory about the GB, then all religions are cults. Since the Catholics have the Pope supposedly made from St Peter himself, the first Pope. No one should respect any laws, since your group doesn’t like to be told what the requirements are to be a true Christian. When Christ past on the role of the Sheppard for knowing his time was short to the Apostles, it was to continue his message and fine work, and to preach to the masses to seek god not Christ and his glory. Without guidance, there’s no understanding; perhaps that’s where the flaw lays in all you peoples logic. So then is your religion any better, if it is, The Branch Davidians compound is still for sale. Will all of you be attending? I don’t know which one of you is David Koresh but he was born Vernon Wayne Howell in Houston, Texas in 1959 to a 15-year old single mother. He never knew his father and was raised by his grandparents. In his late night conversations with FBI agents during the siege, Koresh described his childhood as lonely. He said the other kids teased him and called him "Vernie." He was dyslexic, a bad student, and dropped out of high school. However, he had musical ability and a strong interest in the Bible. By 12, he had memorized large tracts of it. When he was 20, Koresh turned to the Church of Seventh Day Adventists, his mother's church. But he was expelled for being a bad influence on the young people. Sometime during the next couple of years, Koresh went to Hollywood to become a rock star but nothing came of it. Instead, in 1981 he went to Waco, Texas where he joined the Branch Davidians, a religious sect which in 1935 had settled 10 miles outside of Waco. if not perhaps The heavens Gates or maybe Founded in 1956 by Jim Jones, the Peoples Temple was a racially integrated church that focused on helping people in need. Jones originally established the Peoples Temple in Indianapolis, Indiana, but then moved it to Redwood Valley, California in 1966. I have been in this bias website of witness haters for a short time. I have every right to express my opinion as the lot of you. Heathen in his ignorance decided to disrespect me without knowing who I am. It is clear that Heathens hatred toward the WT is deep. Which segment in the bible do you see That Jesus did the same? Once again, is your religion any better, think about it?

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Billy's Comments You Won't Hear at the 01-26-2014 WT Study (Obey Jehovah's Shepherds))

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

fine.

holy spirit appointed overseers to shepherd?

6:1, 2; jude 22) are these not good reasons for being obedient to those who are taking the lead?read hebrews 13:17.. .

sauloftarsus

I’m an advent Crusader, last remnants of the Knights Templar, and an Ex-Witness. So in your perfect theory about the Sheppard, then all religions are cults. Since the Catholics have the Pope supposedly made from St Peter the first Pope? They have bishops, fathers, Jews have Rabbi’s, other religions have preachers, priests, committees, etc. With your great line of thought, Parents of children are Cults; no instruction should be given or accepted by anyone. Governments are Cults, as they have Presidents, Congressmen, and Senators. Schools are Cults; they have Board members, principals, and teachers. I guess you are Supreme Being that came to know all that you have learn by Darwinism, it just came to you. City’s Counties, police, military. It falls under this grand vision of yours I suppose. So in your supposition no one should be sheep. I love atheism. In an effort to belittle one religion you have taught the ignorance and fallacy man has inherited. When Christ past on the role of the Sheppard for knowing his time was short to the Apostles, it was to continue his message and fine work, and to preach to the masses to seek god not Christ and his glory. Without guidance, theres no understanding; perhaps that’s where the flaw is in all you peoples logic. So then is your religion any better, if it is, The Branch Davidians compound is still for sale. Will all of you be attending. I don’t know which one of you is David Koresh was born Vernon Wayne Howell in Houston, Texas in 1959 to a 15-year old single mother. He never knew his father and was raised by his grandparents.

Jim Jones, the Peoples Temple was a racially integrated church that focused on helping people in need. Jones originally established the Peoples Temple in Indianapolis, Indiana, but then moved it to Redwood Valley, California in 1966

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Can Jehovah's witnesses eat halal and kosher meat?

by Reynam in

i'm new here, i pretty much created this account cause i couldn't find the answer to my question.

and my question is, can jw eat halal and kosher meat?

i was searching online but all i found was that jw dont have any food restrictions besides consuming blood.. if someone can answer my question, please and thank u!.

sauloftarsus

Now you’re just splitting hairs on a pointless argument. Excessive consumption of blood is the question to normal people. If you’re a theologian GALAXIE, your book would be incorrect. Answer me this, do you breathe? Simply yes, do you breathe poison gas? If you say yes that would be your choice no one else’s, such as witness bashing that this site was made for. This doctrine of hatred makes no religion any better, since all men are fellable, your approach of belittling one religion for their beliefs was not spoken by Christ in any form, that’s why everyone has a choice to choose whatever religion they want, and at the end, we will see who GOD chose to restart the earth, sounds good?

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Can Jehovah's witnesses eat halal and kosher meat?

by Reynam in

i'm new here, i pretty much created this account cause i couldn't find the answer to my question.

and my question is, can jw eat halal and kosher meat?

i was searching online but all i found was that jw dont have any food restrictions besides consuming blood.. if someone can answer my question, please and thank u!.

sauloftarsus

The idealism of many religions attempt to entrap a JW with the question of blood. JW’s while abstaining from blood doesn’t necassrually mean 100%. It simply means they don’t intentionally or deliberately consume blood. God gave Adam permission to eat whatever domestic animal he had on his position in the Garden of Eden. However many cultures throughout the world even in today’s meals have people digesting blood. Blood pudding, blood sausage, is a regular cuisine. Kosher food does not mean 100% bloodless. It simply means the meat was blessed by a rabbi before consumption. In the 70’s and 80’s when purchasing meats from the market it had residual blood in the package. JW’s would simply cleanse the meat for consumption, as science later found out that bacteria would linger in the blood. Now the markets go to great lengths to get rid of excessive blood so as not to cause Salmonella poisoning. As an Ex-Witness, this argument is baseless.