Posts by StarTrekAngel

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If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bull $hit

by hoser in

i was thinking of this when i was sitting at the kingdom hall today.

one of the paragraphs in the watchtower stated that the type/anti type teachings were too hard for some to understand.

i could never figure them out never made sense to me.

StarTrekAngel

I think they had to come to admit it was complicated because they've realized the internet community is explaining it for them.

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Need quick help- Have to ask wife a question

by StarTrekAngel in

conversation came up this morning and i need to get into my wife's head.

mother in law was talking and she said something her mother (who was not a jw) use to say.

i laughed uncontrollably because it was really funny.

StarTrekAngel

Thanks JWdaugther. That was sort of the reason for my posting. I wanted to make sure I get back to her quick enough. Thanks everyone for your input.

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Need quick help- Have to ask wife a question

by StarTrekAngel in

conversation came up this morning and i need to get into my wife's head.

mother in law was talking and she said something her mother (who was not a jw) use to say.

i laughed uncontrollably because it was really funny.

Conversation came up this morning and I need to get into my wife's head. Mother in law was talking and she said something her mother (who was not a JW) use to say. I laughed uncontrollably because it was really funny. After I got myself back together she remarked that her mom use to be very "eloquent" when she was alive. Then she added "Wait until the paradise and you would see what she is like"

Here is the interesting part. Mother in law was giving us her back. My wife, who is not at all convinced that this religion is crap, looked at me and rolled her eyes. She has had some flashes of awareness in the past so I don't know what to make of it. I want to ask her why exactly she was rolling her eyes and when she answers, I don't want to steer the conversation in a way that would make her question me. I want her to question the borg.

So knowing my wife, she will potentially answer one of two things...

a) I was rolling my eyes because I know my grandma will not be there. She was never a JW and never accepted the truth. Mom wants to believe she will be there but I know she won't

b) I was rolling my eyes because even though I do hope to see her in the new world, I think is crazy to be so certain that she will be there and imagine what she will be like then

If there is a c) I was rolling my eyes because I don't really believe that shit anymore. Well, that would be a miracle and I think I know how to take that and run. What do you think my answer should be to either a) or b)

Thanks

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Sunday talk (4/26/15): Malawi persecution experiences

by StarTrekAngel in

so this sunday we arrived at the meeting late.

like towards the very end of the public talk.

local elder delivered the talk.

StarTrekAngel

So this Sunday we arrived at the meeting late. Like towards the very end of the public talk. Local elder delivered the talk. Noticed a weird thing going on, for the past 5 Sundays, our public talk has been delivered by a different local elders. We have not had a visitor in over a month.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand. As we enter the KH, the elder was relating experiences of beatings, after dark border crossings and military oppressions. I was waiting to see what country this was in reference to. He finally mentioned Malawi as the country where all this persecution was happening. It was obvious he was relating experiences written in the yearbooks.

As I sat there listening, my wonder was mounting up by the minute, as many of the elders and even regular brothers in our cong are Mexicans. Such of age that lived in Mexico during those years. I kept wondering...

- How many of them are thinking "I got away by bribing the local officials at the time"

- How is it that they could not do the same

- But at the end, were they even listening.

Not too long ago, we interviewed one of the sisters. She was asked to provide details on what it was like to be a JW in Mexico during those years. She related to us how they would go preaching without a bible and how they would not sing or pray during meetings. No one seemed to think this was wrong or that they should have done it even in the face of death.

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What if we could bring down the WBTS?

by derangedjdub in

what would be your plan or ideal reason the walls came crashing down?

StarTrekAngel

Branch davidians still exist today. There are very few of them, but they are still waiting on the promise

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The Rowland v. Christian case was used to arrive at the Conti decision... But should there have been a legal duty to prevent harm?

by defender of truth in

the factors of the rowland v. christian case were applied to arrive at the latest conti ruling, according to an article entitled 'in childhood sexual abuse case, california appellate court finds church has no duty to prevent its members from harming each other':"the sole basis for the punitive damages claim was the contention that the defendants failed to fulfill their duty of warning members of the congregation that the witness had molested a child.on appeal, the reviewing court found that the alleged duty to warn could not be justified on the basis of a special relationship because there is no authority for any such broad duty on the part of a church to prevent its members from harming each other.

the court also applied the factors of rowland v. christian to determine whether a duty existed..."www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/in-childhood-sexual-abuse-case-californ-19456/......now take a look at this:" california civil code section 1714 imposes a general duty of ordinary care, which by default requires all persons to take reasonable measures to prevent harm to others.

in the 1968 case of rowland v. christian, the court held that judicial exceptions to this general duty of care should only be created if clearly justified based on the following public-policy factors:*.the foreseeability of harm to the injured party;*.the degree of certainty he or she suffered injury;*.the closeness of the connection between the defendants conduct and the injury suffered;*.the moral blame attached to the defendants conduct;*.the policy of preventing future harm;*.the extent of the burden to the defendant and the consequences to the community of imposing a duty of care with resulting liability for breach;*.and the availability, cost, and prevalence of insurance for the risk involved.

StarTrekAngel

I think that it was wrong for the court to state that duty to warn would put too much burden on the church. They went as far as saying that it would burden them with having to warn every time they have a reasonable evidence that someone could be a child abuser. What I believe they fail to see is that this is a confirmed pedophile. No one, not even CPS would prosecute someone whom they "feel" might by a pedophile. If they go the route of not dealing with the matter internally, then 1st amendment would come to the table. There is no winning with these people. I think the only upper hand is in bad PR. As much and as often as possible, and then some more.

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weird questions people ask you at the KH?

by Truthexplorer in

so i meet sister ott zealot.

she says ah .... its lovely to see you; how are you doing.

i said yeah i'm fine thank you!

StarTrekAngel

I had a sister chase me once. I mean it literally. She was not walking behind me or anything. I was walking to the back, towards the exit, at the end of the meeting. She left whomever she was talking to behind and ran after me. My wife had already gone ahead of me, as I was carrying my youngest kid (she was asleep). She stops me on my tracks and asks... (words between parentheses is me thinking)

Sister: How are you doing today..

me: All good and you?

Sister: I was wondering, how is it going with your kids on your home study? (guess she forgot how she was)

me: (WTF) doing just fine

Sister: What are you all studying?

me: (OOOKK??)) We usually study the WT in preparation for Sunday.

Sister: oh wow, and the kids understand that?

me: well I am sure they don't understand everything, but as you can see, the comment quite a bit

I assumed at that point that she was looking for a family to study with since she may have ran out of dummies while going in FS. I never really understood how anyone in their right mind would let someone else educate their kids.

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Phone call from a brother last night

by label licker in

jw
friends

the brother and his wife thought the statement at the end of this month's broad cast show was a little off.

the org stated that jehovah's organisation can not be corrupted.

(needless to say only three had shown up for the broadcast meeting at the hall) he's never heard that before so we filled him in as to what the org has been up to and gave him jwnet, jw facts as well as jw survey to look at.

StarTrekAngel

Is that broadcast in their website?

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Protect governing body with your life

by Zoos in

there was a quote in the literature some years back about protecting the governing body from secular authorities and insinuated that we should do whatever it took to insure their safety.. i seem to remember it was something about refusing to help the authorities locate the governing body.

i may be off track here.

if this is familiar to you could you please help me find the quote?.

StarTrekAngel

I don't remember seeing anything in writing but I do recall of several meeting over the years. The subject was usually brought up around studies that touched on the subject of our loyalty, both to our brothers as well as those taking the lead. Some elders would always make sure to include a comment where we would be told what to say to the authorities that were looking for the elders. That is how I first learned that we were all, technically speaking, ordained ministers.

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"Your bad attitude is evident, because you don't bring a meeting bag to the meetings anymore!"

by stuckinarut2 in

yes friends.....this is the comment said to me by an elder!.

"your bad attitude is evident because you don't bring your meeting bag anymore!".

i calmly replied: "but everything i need is on the tablet now......".

StarTrekAngel

This seems to be more common than I thought. About a year ago, all baptized publishers in my cong were called to a meeting. I happened to "qualify" to attend at the time. There was an assembly coming up and they decided to review some items related to the assembly but also others related to the cong itself. One of such topics was the assignments of privileges. One of the simplest ones, mic handling, was brought up and it was shocking to hear how one would qualify to handle the mic. The conversation went something like this.

Meeting conductor (elder): In order to qualify and honor Jehovah, what qualities should a man demonstrate in order to be considered for the privileges.

brother raises hand: He must be an exemplary christian

Elder: That is correct. How do we know if he is an exemplary christian?

another brother raises hand: He lives his life by bible principles (so far so good)

Elder: But how would someone know if this person was rightfully appointed by christian principles, if he is walking around the KH handling the microphone. How would someone know that he was rightfully appointed.

Brother raises hand: His magazine would be underlined, showing that he prepared for the meeting.

In my mind I was thinking.. so its ok if he steals, beat up his wife and kids, and has an affair at work. So long his magazine is underlined.

That was the last time I ever prepared for a WT study. I had never handled the mic up to that point. As soon as I stopped actually preparing and made sure to use bright colorful highlights on the pages, I was then offered the "privilege". Once I prove it to myself, I stopped highlighting and FS and the privilege went out the door in as little as two meetings.

I am a much happier individual now.