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  "Worship that God Approves" chapter 15

  by A.proclaimer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is the title of the 15th chapter in the "what does the bible really teach book".

  so i have to study this book and am doing it with an elder.

  after taking long breaks inbetween the study, this is the chapter that is coming up.

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  Thanks guys! I was thinking of bringing up some of those points; the changing doctrines, 1914 (I'm rearching those topics and gathering information). Some of those question you asked jwfacts have gone through my mind before. It would be good to bring them up, thanks.
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  "Worship that God Approves" chapter 15

  by A.proclaimer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is the title of the 15th chapter in the "what does the bible really teach book".

  so i have to study this book and am doing it with an elder.

  after taking long breaks inbetween the study, this is the chapter that is coming up.

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  I have family reasons, and from people in the congregation.
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  "Worship that God Approves" chapter 15

  by A.proclaimer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is the title of the 15th chapter in the "what does the bible really teach book".

  so i have to study this book and am doing it with an elder.

  after taking long breaks inbetween the study, this is the chapter that is coming up.

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  This is the title of the 15th chapter in the "what does the bible really teach book". So I have to study this book and am doing it with an elder. After taking long breaks inbetween the study, this is the chapter that is coming up. This is the chapter that is suppose to convince you that this is the "truth". Anyway, I was looking for suggestions anyone might have so I can tackle this chapter. I don't fully agree with what it's trying to do and neither do I think there is a single true religion. I don't want to be too upfront or forward about this since I have expectations to meet (I'm born and raised in this religion so I'm expected to be in agreement). But I want to do it in a more subtle way, whether its disagreeing with somethings or putting in questions about certain things or raising certain points. Any suggestions?
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  Interesting changes for the 2014 service meeting...

  by OneDayillBeFree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  if you look at the first page of the kingdom ministry for december (link here), read the talk entitled: "the theocratic ministry school for 2014".

  here is a copy of what it says (bold & red mine).

  talk by the school overseer.

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  I'm not surprised if they will make changes, it's expected that they will be coming out with new material and update old stuff. With all this "new light" and revisions, some of the information available is now invalid. So I agree that there will be new bookupcoming big soon. Probably all paperback since they're cutting down on costs. Might be thinner too judging from all the recent books.
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  February 2014- Watchtower Public edition now available!

  by A.proclaimer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the new watchtower public edition titled "the war that chnaged the world" and the awake titled "how to invest your time wisely" for february are up.

  looks like they are still sticking to 1914. they do talk about the war and tie it in with the 1914 interpretation.. watchtower public:.

  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20140201/.

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  The new Watchtower Public edition titled "The War that Chnaged the World" and the Awake titled "How to Invest your Time Wisely" for February are up. Looks like they are still sticking to 1914. They do talk about the war and tie it in with the 1914 interpretation.

  Watchtower Public:

  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20140201/

  Awake:

  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201402/
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  Home schooled witness kids

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  sorry if i'm stepping on any toes here, but i haven't seen anything positive about home-schooling...at all.

  the notion is that parents are taking advantage of the formative years to inculcate more worthwhile values while protecting their kids from worldly influences.

  they end up with lazy, socially inept, illiterate duds who haven't a clue.

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  One of the reasons they put their kids into homeschooling is to go out in service. I've heard of a few homeschooled kids who do that since now they have more time available. Another reason (as said before) is fear of "worldy" students and influences. I was out in service one time and a sister who was going to put her kid into homeschool and telling me how it was better because then her child wouldn't be pressured and face bad influences. She asked me if I would ever take homeschooling. I told her no since going to school allows you to see other people and interact. Then I said how not everyone was bad, it all really depends who you hang out with. And it really does since even kids in the Kingdom Hall can be bad influences sometimes.
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  Watchtower schools--why the consolidation?

  by wannaexit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  first there was the ministerial training school ( mts), then changed to the school for single brothers.

  most recently the school for christian couples (replacing gilead).

  all of a sudden news comes out the all these schools are consolidated under one umbrella: the evangelizing school --open to single brothers, single sisters, married couples all the way up to 65 years of age.. i wonder as to the motive behind all these changes this year..

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  When they announced this, the single sisters in the congregation were sure very enthusiastic and happy about this. Even the speaker made a joking comment about that. So what SFPW and Daniel1555 said about playing matchmaking could be true, but most likely its either from lack of applicants or/and simplifying and downsizing of resources (they have been doing that a lot lately).
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  Quotes to discourage JWs from researching WT history?

  by JWOP in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  are there any direct quotes from the watchtower's literature that discourages investigation into their past doctrines and practices?.

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  The faith on action DVD is not so great for learning about the history of JWs. It's leaves out a lot of information. No mention of how they believed Christ came in 1874, how Barbour (an adventist) greatly influenced Russel, not much said about 1925, is biased in showing rutherford take the lead during the schism, no mention of 1975, other dates and previous teachings and doctrines. Rather it makes it seem like the "light gradually grew brighter" when really there were areas where it did and didn't. That DVD is the sugar coated history and barely scratches the surface. The Proclaimers book contains more information but it's really thick and not done in chronological order so it's rather confusing. plus I doubt many will take the time to actually read it from it's size. That thing is huge! But it does omit some information and minimizes certain events such as 1975. (They gave it a paragratwo or two, talking about it).

  Not many Jw's will actually take the time to bother knowing their history or read anything beyond what the Society says. Basically the only get the point of view they are feeding you (only the good). If you look at outside sources, it shows a bigger picture. One way I found about what truly happened in their history is through other websites such as Wikipedia. Although people say Wikipedia isn't very reliable, you can still look up the sources to confirm that facts. Theres a lot of documentation out there especially in older publications. Jwfacts does a great job at documenting changing doctrines and how it has developed to the ones known today. Before doing that, I hardly knew anything except what was told.

  Its interesting to see how they mention past discussions and books such as "millions now living will never die" and only mention parts that pertain to current doctrine (thus making it seem like that was the most important thing). In reality that booklet says much more such as the resurection of the princes in 1925 and how the old world "legally ended" in 1914 and was passing away while the new order was on it's way in. That's why it was said "millions now living will never die"
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  Does anyone know more about this?

  by A.proclaimer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=c92smsfsxxk.

  it starts at 9:04 .

  an interesting observation and story she tells behind the cover of this brochure .

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  Hello Clarity! Thank you for your welcoming

  i haven't yet but I plan to. I will be posting something soon!
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  Free Bible Study or Indoctrination Session?

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ...and are the jws forthcoming at the start what the "study" really is?.

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  I attend a foreign language congregation and many of the JWs there are still learning the language so their speaking skills aren't well developed. Because of this, many of them were concerned about how the will give a study. A t one meeting, it was said that all the person studying really needs is the study book and that will basically guide them through what they need to know. Not much need of an input from the Jw conducting the study.