Yep, total bullshit.
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Capitalizing names
by john.prestor injust a random thought here but does anyone else notice than when the name "elder" or "circuit overseer" appears in the organization's magazines and books they're always lower case even though they're proper nouns and should be elder and circuit overseer... but branch committee member, governing body helper, governing body member, they get to be capitalized.
another subtle indication of how the governing body and other high-ranking elites see themselves, i think.
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New Year's Day Party
by Giordano infor what it's worth:.
we just held our 3rd annual new year's day party.. we kept the list down to thirty invites this year with the provision that they could bring guests.
so the final count was well up there.
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That's a fabulous read. Thank you. It's as it should be.
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So I'm Wondering.
by jonahstourguide inby the way, happy new year to all.. so, i'm wondering, if all the current global population converted to jwism what would happen to the approximately 300,000 births and 150,000 daily deaths?.
and, where are the 'false gods' today and where is yahweh nowadays?.
just my mind wanderings.. oh, and if the governing body has the global solution, why aren't they preaching to world leaders directly?
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By the way, Happy new year to all.
So, I'm wondering, if all the current global population converted to jwism what would happen to the approximately 300,000 births and 150,000 daily deaths?. And, where are the 'false gods' today and where is yahweh nowadays?
just my mind wanderings.
Oh, and if the governing body has the global solution, why aren't they preaching to world leaders directly? Like, you know, lobbying as Paul did when he went to Caesar?.
jtg
Bugger it, I'm gonna mow the lawn instead and have a refreshing beer thereafter.
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Is A Major Restructuring At Warwick In The Works Due To Years Of Governing Body Ignorance & Delusion?
by Brokeback Watchtower inthe possible financial ruin to which faithful & discreet slave/governing body has brought wt corporation, due to all the underhanded/illegal/thoughtless policies as g.o.d(guardians of doctrine) seems to be a very real possibility, as court cases mount against the wt and it's different corporations.. montana just gave a very clear $$$$30million+ shout out to wt, about it's fucked up policies, which lay at the feet of those in charge.
it seems that some type of no confidence should be expressed and a complete over haul should be happening.
they can not keep this information secret any more and they are totally delusional ass holes if they think they can talk their way out of this.. therefore i think we shall see some desperate measures to keep this fraudulent organization financially stable and a removal from power those responsible for the mess..
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I agree with Brokeback Watchtower.
If a pimo rank and filer, I, can see it and some of my undecided pimi can also look with disbelief at what I show them (and, we ain't no lawyers). What do legal eagles see??. A fair bit of bullshit I reckon.
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2 BOE's--Atlantis!
by Atlantis inone of these boes is ( old news ), the london letter on the annual totals, and the other concerns pioneering in 2019. just for your records.. .
https://transfer.pcloud.com/download.html?code=5zowyx7zcrnigmamezkzadcbzehe7xedeley1uityg5jwpjr0dwyx.
atlantis!.
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Much appreciated. Thank you Atlantis.
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April 2019 Watchtower article 'Uphold the TRUTH about death'
by Listener init appears this study article has been written because the organization is still having trouble teaching african jws that they are not to follow their traditional customs when someone dies and not to believe in spirits.it has been speculated for some time that it is african jws that have attributed to the increase in 'anointed' partakers.interestingly, no-where in this article does it even mention their two class system and the anointed having a heavenly hope.
it is amazing that they title the article as upholding the truth about death and fail to mention their two hope doctrine.the following are some quotes -.
satan, “the father of the lie,” has deceived people since the start of human history.
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Yes indeed. In answer to smiddy3.
There are no deeper doctrines. There is no intrinsic substance to the 'current understanding' bullshit.
Types and anti-types got flushed down the dunny,, about 43 of them at last count.
I can now say that even though I'm not fit to tie a scholars boot or sandal lace, I have "perused" the bible as we have it and am convinced that no logical, reasoning, sane human (please accept this as a bit of a rant) could put faith in a book written in a lost language with so many options for translating any particular word or phrase. The so-called exegesis of scripture is up for criticism for that in itself. Then we get to the eisegesis of particular translators to support their view. Twisting words.
And then there's the nwt study bible bullshit study notes and added footnotes which are more often than not quotes of Barnes, Gill et al Worldly scholars ruled by Satan...ha ha hilarious in my view. Guys that support the trinity teaching,,,,well, many of those scholars quoted by wt did. Classic cherry-picking at it's best.
Yes, take the bible for what it is and has and keep your wallet tight in your back pocket. Remember the words of the predecessors ,,,, "Religion is a snare and a racket" In any guise I add.
The so called moral lessons therein are no more than reminders of the moral conscience that resides in all humans and even some animals ( I dunno, but sometimes the animal world exhibits behaviours that we might do well to emulate) and It's up to us if we choose to use that faculty or not.
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P.S. yes The Fall Guy, it is all about 'runs on the board',not real fruitages as you point out.
P.P.S. I didn't intend to deviate from the OP ,,,, It's frustrating at times. Yes they have a problem with the cultures mentioned in the OP. We see it here in Oz where quite a few of them are turning up with 'suspect' recommendations from their homeland.
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The Vatican`s third ranking highest official Convicted Of Sexual Assault
by smiddy3 inaustralian cardinal george pell, the vatican's third-highest ranking official, was convicted of sexual assault by a victoria court on december 11, 2018.. but australian media aren't reporting on the trial or its outcome.
despite pell's mammoth status in the catholic church and as a public figure, his trial has been held in secret, following a victorian county court suppression order that applies australia-wide.
it was imposed after the court accepted that knowledge of the accused's identity in the first trial might prejudice a further trial being held in march.. i believe this suppression order only applies to australia whereas this case may have been reported upon overseas ?
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I'm trying to cut and paste what I found smiddy3.
Cardinal Pell found guilty of sex abuse, expected to appeal, reports say
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Australian Cardinal George Pell leaves the Melbourne Magistrates Court Oct. 6. (CNS/Mark Dadswell, Reuters)Melbourne, Australia — Australian Cardinal George Pell reportedly has been found guilty on five charges related to serious sexual misconduct involving two boys at St. Patrick's Cathedral in Melbourne in the 1990s.
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The trial, the specific charges, the testimony and almost all other details involving the accusations against the 77-year-old cardinal are covered by a court-issued "super injunction," which forbids all media in Australia from reporting on it.
Pell is expected to appeal the conviction.
Sources said Pell pleaded not guilty to all charges but was found guilty Dec. 11 by a jury of 12 people, who delivered a unanimous verdict, as required by Victoria state statutes; the jury had deliberated for more than three days.
The trial took place before Judge Peter Kidd of the County Court of the State of Victoria; it was one of two trials Pell is reportedly facing on accusations of abuse that allegedly occurred in the 1970s and in the 1990s.
Following a monthlong pretrial hearing in May, the court ordered Pell to stand trial on multiple charges of sexual abuse of minors, charges the cardinal consistently denied. The trial was split in two: one for the events in Melbourne in 1990s and one for the events in Ballarat in 1970s.
The first trial, for the Melbourne events, began in August, but resulted in a hung jury, sources said.
One of the alleged survivors has died since the events and the other gave evidence via video link to the court. Neither has been named.
Lawyers for Pell, led by Robert Richter, are understood to have indicated they will appeal, but that would take place after the cardinal is sentenced in February. The second trial, focusing on the alleged events in Ballarat, reportedly will begin in March.
Catholic News Service was told that Australian media organizations are petitioning the court to release details of the trial and verdict. The court had issued the gag order to "prevent a real and substantial risk of prejudice to the proper administration of justice."
Although some of the initial charges brought by prosecutors were dismissed, including what Pell's lawyer described as the most "vile," Magistrate Belinda Wallington announced May 1 that she believed there was enough evidence presented in connection with about half the original charges to warrant a full trial.
Pell was appointed head of the Vatican Secretariat for the Economy by Pope Francis in 2014 but took a leave of absence from his position in mid-2017 to face the charges. His lawyer told the court May 1 that he had already surrendered his passport.
Before leaving Rome, Pell had told reporters at a Vatican news conference, "I'm innocent of these charges. They are false. The whole idea of sexual abuse is abhorrent to me.
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"These matters have been under investigation now for two years," Pell told the press. "There's been relentless character assassination, a relentless character assassination."
Following his time as archbishop of Melbourne, 1996-2001, Pell was named archbishop of Sydney in 2001. He was made a cardinal by St. John Paul II in 2003 and is, at present, the only Australian cardinal.
Pell has been an important and, at times, polarizing figure in Australia. Supporters say his opposition to abortion and gay marriage have made him many enemies, and they believe that while he was archbishop of Melbourne he was the first bishop in the country to proactively address the clergy sex abuse issue.
A version of this story appeared in the Dec 28, 2018-Jan 10, 2019 print issue under the headline: Cardinal Pell found guilty of sex abuse, reports say . -
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More Developments In Australia
by jonahstourguide insome results of the royal commission in australia.
catholic church ellis defence scrapped in 'momentous day' for abuse survivorsby michelle brownposted about 2 hours ago john ellis speaks to the media outside the nsw supreme court.photo: john ellis, a former lawyer, tried to sue the catholic church for negligence (aap: paul miller)related story: nsw child abuse survivors to be allowed to sue churchesafter an 11-year battle, survivors of institutional child abuse locked out of suing for compensation will be able to launch civil claims from today.key points:the ellis defence prevented abuse survivors from suing unincorporated organisations including churches and other institutionsthe move to scrap it came after recommendations from the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse.from today, an institution must nominate a defendant with sufficient assets to pay a survivor's claim.the so-called "ellis defence", which prevented abuse survivors from suing unincorporated organisations including churches and other institutions, is today abolished after the nsw government removed a legal road block.the move came after recommendations from the royal commission into institutional child sex abuse.john ellis, whose failed court of appeal case against the catholic church in 2007 gave rise to the defence, has praised the government's action.
"it's fantastic news," he told the abc.
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Ok, I've found this on Shine Lawyers web site.
I have bolded and italicized their summary.
Seems many of us here thought the ARC as another toothless tiger but the individual state governments have taken some note. Fantastic news for all affected.
Changes to WA Abuse Limitation period
On 18 April 2018 the Western Australian Government passed historic changes removing the three year statute of limitations for survivors of childhood sexual abuse. Until the passing of these changes Western Australian survivors had only three years from the date that they turned 18 to bring a claim for childhood sexual abuse. The recent changes mean that Western Australian survivors can now access their rights to compensation through the civil justice system.
The passing of the Civil Liability Legislation Amendment (Child Sexual Abuse Actions) Bill (WA) 2017 has been a long time coming for Western Australian survivors following recommendations from the Royal Commission for removal of the limitation period in its Redress and Civil Litigation Report delivered on 14 September 2015.
An overview of the legislation
The bill amends the existing Civil Liability Act 2002 (WA) and the Limitations of Actions Act 2005 (WA).Changes to the Limitation period
Amendments to the Limitation Act 2005 are in Part 3 of the Bill and remove the limitation period for bringing a civil action for childhood sexual abuse.These changes implement recommendations 85 to 86 of the Royal Commission’s September 2015 Redress and Civil Litigation Report. The changes bring credence to the Royal Commission’s findings that:
“Many victims do not disclose child sexual abuse until many years after the abuse occurred, often when they are well into adulthood. Survivors who spoke with us during a private session took, on average, 23.9 years to tell someone about the abuse …”[1]
The amendments also strive to remedy injustices of the past caused by the previous strict operation of the limitation period by allowing survivors to commence a cause of action even though they may have previously received a court judgment preventing them from proceeding with their claim due to the expiration of the limitation period. In addition the changes allow survivors, on the meeting of certain conditions, to commence a court action where they have previously settled a claim for the childhood sexual abuse. This will allow survivors who have previously settled their claims on a compromised or reduced basis, due to the limitation hurdle, to seek the full compensation which to they are entitled.
Changes to Defendant entities and access to assets
Importantly, the legislation also introduced a new Part 2A to the Civil Liability Act 2002 (WA) entitled “Child Sexual Abuse Actions” which overcomes the difficulties that many survivors face in identifying a proper defendant to sue and in being able to satisfy a judgment or settlement from an institution’s particular asset holding structure.Part 2A allows survivors to bring a legal action against the current officer holder of both incorporated and unincorporated institutions regardless of whether that institution has now changed its name, organisational structure, incorporation status or geographic area. Part 2A also stipulates that any judgment or settlement may be satisfied out of the assets held by that institution, including assets of any trusts held by the institution. The amendments also allow survivors to take action against the successor of the institution, or the Head of the Institution, in circumstances where the specific institution where their abuse occurred no longer exists.
These amendments are a very significant step forward for survivors of abuse where previously institutions have been able to avoid their legal responsibilities and protect their assets from being used towards satisfying a judgment or settlement through the “Ellis” Defence. The “Ellis” Defence arose from the New South Wales Court of Appeal decision of Trustees of the Roman Catholic Church, The Archdiocese of Sydney v Ellis (2007) 70 NSWLR 565 wherein the Court held that church assets could not be subject to orders for compensation for child abuse crimes perpetrated within the church, because church trustees could not be held to account for the crimes of individuals.
Cap on legal fees
For further protection of survivors, the new Part 2A to the Civil Liability Act 2002 also introduces a cap on legal fees which limits legal practitioners from receiving legal fees in any greater sum than is provided for by any costs determination. The costs determination will be made by a Legal Costs Committee comprising three independent members of the legal profession and three non-lawyers. These changes will ensure that legal fees charges to abuse survivors are just and equitable.How do the WA changes compare with other States?
Despite the lengthy wait for Western Australia, the good news is that some aspects the WA legislation are far more beneficial than similar legislation which has been passed in other states. Most significantly, as discussed above, the WA government has introduced laws preventing institutions from using the “Ellis” Defence in avoiding legal claims. No other Australian state has yet enacted similar changes (although Victoria is likely to soon follow suit with the introduction of the Legal Identity of Defendants (Organisational Child Abuse) Bill 2018 in March 2018).Unfortunately the Western Australian government has joined Queensland and the Australian Capital Territory in limiting the abolishment of the limitation period to claims for childhood sexual abuse. The Victorian, New South Wales and Northern Territory governments have all introduced legislation which abolishes the limitation period in respect of sexual abuse, serious childhood physical abuse and associated psychological abuse. It has been well recognised by the Royal Commission that physical and psychological abuse often go hand in hand with childhood sexual abuse and can have similarly devastating impacts upon survivors throughout their lives. It is disappointing that the Western Australian government has not legislated to include rights of action for survivors of childhood physical and associated psychological abuse.
The legislative changes by the Western Australia government now leave South Australia as the only Australian State not to have implemented changes in some form in line with the Royal Commission’s September 2015 recommendations.
[1] Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Abuse, Final Report: Identifying and disclosing child sexual abuse, Volume 4, page 9.
Written by Shine Lawyers on May 4, 2018. Last modified: September 6, 2018jtg
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More Developments In Australia
by jonahstourguide insome results of the royal commission in australia.
catholic church ellis defence scrapped in 'momentous day' for abuse survivorsby michelle brownposted about 2 hours ago john ellis speaks to the media outside the nsw supreme court.photo: john ellis, a former lawyer, tried to sue the catholic church for negligence (aap: paul miller)related story: nsw child abuse survivors to be allowed to sue churchesafter an 11-year battle, survivors of institutional child abuse locked out of suing for compensation will be able to launch civil claims from today.key points:the ellis defence prevented abuse survivors from suing unincorporated organisations including churches and other institutionsthe move to scrap it came after recommendations from the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse.from today, an institution must nominate a defendant with sufficient assets to pay a survivor's claim.the so-called "ellis defence", which prevented abuse survivors from suing unincorporated organisations including churches and other institutions, is today abolished after the nsw government removed a legal road block.the move came after recommendations from the royal commission into institutional child sex abuse.john ellis, whose failed court of appeal case against the catholic church in 2007 gave rise to the defence, has praised the government's action.
"it's fantastic news," he told the abc.
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Looks like it got scrapped earlier in the state of Victoria,,,, I missed that. I will check how many other states are going this way here in Oz. Oh and yes no-zombie,, there does seem to be some vacillation and trepidation down here.
'Ellis defence' scrapped as Victorian law change opens church up to abuse legal action
By Danny Tran and Matt Neal
Updated 28 May 2018, 9:18am
John Ellis, wearing glasses and a hat, sits on an outdoor bench.
PHOTO: John Ellis says it feels good to have his name unshackled from a legal loophole used by the Catholic Church. (ABC News: Danielle Bonica)
RELATED STORY: The advocates and agitators who fought for child abuse survivorsRELATED STORY: Victoria moves to close loophole that prevents abuse survivors from suing churches
It was only years later, long after he had been admitted to practise as a lawyer, that John Ellis decided to exercise his legal right to sue the Catholic Church.
As an altar boy, he'd been abused by a paedophile priest. Now an adult, he sought damages.
But Mr Ellis ultimately failed because the church successfully argued it did not legally exist as its assets were held in a trust, and that was protected from legal action.
And in a galling circumstance of fate, Mr Ellis's name was unwittingly shackled to the method the church had used to avoid the legal action. Since then it's been known as "the Ellis defence".
But last night, more than 16 years after the fact, the Victorian Government passed a law closing the legal loophole.
"It's a red letter day … to have that shackle be broken," Mr Ellis said.
Hundreds of colourful ribbons tied to a fence outside a church.
PHOTO: Experts estimate the Ellis defence has saved the Catholic Church millions of dollars. (ABC Ballarat: Dominic Cansdale)
"By taking away the legal defence that they have, that puts people in a much stronger position and it puts the church on the same footing as any other entity or organisation in society.
"That's all we've been asking for, for all these years."
Mr Ellis is hoping the move will inspire other Australian states and territories to follow suit.
The new law marks a significant shift for survivors of clergy abuse who, until now, have had to rely on the goodwill of the church to nominate a legal entity, like a bishop, who would agree to be sued.
Now, unincorporated organisations like religious groups must nominate a defendant with assets, capable of being sued.
Defence saved church 'millions'
According to Judy Courtin, a lawyer who represents victims of institutional abuse, the passage of the law represents a significant change to how the church will be held accountable.
"This defence which they've hidden behind … I would say has saved the church millions and millions of dollars," Dr Courtin said.
"Victims have never been on an equal footing particularly in terms of the law, and so this now hopefully provides … an access to the courts that's been denied them forever."
Victoria's Attorney-General, Martin Pakula, said it was a "momentous" change.
"We think the combination of this legislation and the legislation that removes the statute of limitations will make it so much easier for child abuse survivors to get appropriate compensation," he said.
"It now means that organisations will have to nominate a proper defendant with assets that is capable of being sued, and if they don't the court will nominate one for them."
The ABC has contacted the Australian Catholic Bishops Conference for comment.jtg
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More Developments In Australia
by jonahstourguide insome results of the royal commission in australia.
catholic church ellis defence scrapped in 'momentous day' for abuse survivorsby michelle brownposted about 2 hours ago john ellis speaks to the media outside the nsw supreme court.photo: john ellis, a former lawyer, tried to sue the catholic church for negligence (aap: paul miller)related story: nsw child abuse survivors to be allowed to sue churchesafter an 11-year battle, survivors of institutional child abuse locked out of suing for compensation will be able to launch civil claims from today.key points:the ellis defence prevented abuse survivors from suing unincorporated organisations including churches and other institutionsthe move to scrap it came after recommendations from the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse.from today, an institution must nominate a defendant with sufficient assets to pay a survivor's claim.the so-called "ellis defence", which prevented abuse survivors from suing unincorporated organisations including churches and other institutions, is today abolished after the nsw government removed a legal road block.the move came after recommendations from the royal commission into institutional child sex abuse.john ellis, whose failed court of appeal case against the catholic church in 2007 gave rise to the defence, has praised the government's action.
"it's fantastic news," he told the abc.
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Some results of the Royal Commission in Australia
Catholic Church Ellis defence scrapped in 'momentous day' for abuse survivors
By Michelle Brown
Posted about 2 hours ago
John Ellis speaks to the media outside the NSW Supreme Court.
PHOTO: John Ellis, a former lawyer, tried to sue the Catholic Church for negligence (AAP: Paul Miller)
RELATED STORY: NSW child abuse survivors to be allowed to sue churches
After an 11-year battle, survivors of institutional child abuse locked out of suing for compensation will be able to launch civil claims from today.
Key points:
The Ellis defence prevented abuse survivors from suing unincorporated organisations including churches and other institutions
The move to scrap it came after recommendations from the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.
From today, an institution must nominate a defendant with sufficient assets to pay a survivor's claim.
The so-called "Ellis defence", which prevented abuse survivors from suing unincorporated organisations including churches and other institutions, is today abolished after the NSW Government removed a legal road block.
The move came after recommendations from the Royal Commission into Institutional Child Sex Abuse.
John Ellis, whose failed Court of Appeal case against the Catholic Church in 2007 gave rise to the defence, has praised the Government's action.
"It's fantastic news," he told the ABC.
"It really is a momentous day to have those changes finally commence.
"It will mean [survivors] are able to get recognition from the Catholic Church and other institutions that are set up in the same way, where they haven't had that opportunity before.
"Up until now people have been relying on the good will of the institution or the willingness of the institutions to take accountability, and if an institution decides, as they did in my case, that they don't want to take accountability, then they won't be able to put that roadblock in the way of the survivor."
A long road to redemption
Mr Ellis, a former altar boy, had waited years before deciding to sue the Catholic Church for abuse he had suffered at the hands of a priest.
Ribbons outside St Patrick's in Ballarat, in support of survivors and victims of child sex abuse.
PHOTO: The reforms will enable abuse survivors to sue for compensation (ABC News: Danielle Bonica)
However, the priest responsible for the crimes had died, and the Archbishop of Sydney was not considered responsible for the actions of his predecessor.
By the time Mr Ellis decided to take legal action, he had no-one to sue.
In 2007, on appeal lodged by the Catholic Church, the court found the church did not legally exist because its assets were in a legally protected trust.
A new era
From today, an institution must nominate a defendant with sufficient assets to pay a survivor's claim.
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If not, the court can appoint associated trustees who can get access to trust property to pay the compensation.
NSW Attorney General Mark Speakman said the changes to the law were retrospective, making them accessible to survivors of past, present and future child abuse.
"This means all survivors of institutional child abuse in NSW will now have the same access to compensation through civil litigation, no matter what kind of organisation is responsible," he said.
John Ellis said his quest for redress took a heavy personal toll.
"We took the church on through the courts and we were unsuccessful," he said.
"Personally I thought I'd done a great disservice to survivors, because now it was in black and white that you can't sue the church.
"More recently, through the period of the royal commission, and through the recognition of the community [and] the support of the NSW Government in quickly implementing the changes that have been recommended, I've felt very supported.
"I've felt very grateful for living in a country where that's possible."jtg
