Posts by jonahstourguide

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Where you are in your life now.....What would you have preferred .... To be left in ignorance ? ...Or to know the truth about the truth

by smiddy in

jw
friends

i think possibly their are a few valid reasons for either options to this question ,depending on a number of factors .. such as how old you might be, how long you have devoted your life to the "truth" as you believed it .

?....how it may affect your mental/physical health and well being.?.

how it will affect your financial position in your life ,?

jonahstourguide

I love the question Smiddy.

And i'm in Oz.

And i cannot but attempt to address the 'dot points' Old enough to have been plucked out of education due to 1975. 23 years born in at that time and lasted till 34 yrs. At the risk of a psychological melt down i walked,,,,,, into the arms of the homosexual community that accepted me as a human being,,, that was an enlightenment. i am a hetro male of the species by the way. Given that i went on to enjoy life after the wt was brilliant. I moulded a life for me, i wallowed in the freedom that really exists apart from wt stalag 13. Ok, life as a single person can be lonely irrespective of any ecclesiastical views. but i moved forward and out of the restrictive mind controlling gb inspired fears, and i realised it was a dream never to come true. Now however (4 years ago) I've tried to have another shot at "making the truth my own" Ha Ha famous last words. Never good to be ignorant. I did the research after i was reinstated to get the bottom line. thats when the reality started to become evident. Goodness me !!!!! as it happens I dont have family relationships to deal with and I genuinely empathise with those that do. I have, however made some genuine friends during my 'return' and i worry for them given that I now know the 'bottom line' So for now i'm gonna play it cool and go with the flow and slowly help my friends to see the tatt. Tell Ya what Smiddy as you know ... stickin youre head in the sand does not work.

jtg

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Speculation: Female Ministerial Servants coming soon

by Londo111 in

ive no source for this, just personal speculation.. * there is a good case to be made that there were female deacons (ministerial servants) in the bible.. * there is a lack of qualified brothers for basic assignments such as microphones, accounts, literature.

in some cases, elders have had to do double duty because of a lack of ministerial servants or qualified brothers.. * women outnumber men in the organization.. * there is supposedly a surprising change coming "down the pipe".. perhaps the only difference between male and female ministerial servants is that women will still not be allowed to teach..

jonahstourguide

Yep wouldn't work.

How dey gonna keep da secret boys club in their own

lunchbox intact?

jtg

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Speculation: Female Ministerial Servants coming soon

by Londo111 in

ive no source for this, just personal speculation.. * there is a good case to be made that there were female deacons (ministerial servants) in the bible.. * there is a lack of qualified brothers for basic assignments such as microphones, accounts, literature.

in some cases, elders have had to do double duty because of a lack of ministerial servants or qualified brothers.. * women outnumber men in the organization.. * there is supposedly a surprising change coming "down the pipe".. perhaps the only difference between male and female ministerial servants is that women will still not be allowed to teach..

jonahstourguide

So then,

Even if they cannot be "appointed" as a 'helper' certain tasks could be performed.

Could they for example be the cobe's helper or the service overseer helpers?

the eldub has say 3 'positions' but the female 'helpers' do the hard work???

Sound department 'helpers'? Heaven knows many do the stuff for older

computer illiterate and organisationally bereft males.

Dunno, juz wondering.

jtg (lookin for loopholes)

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Speculation: Female Ministerial Servants coming soon

by Londo111 in

ive no source for this, just personal speculation.. * there is a good case to be made that there were female deacons (ministerial servants) in the bible.. * there is a lack of qualified brothers for basic assignments such as microphones, accounts, literature.

in some cases, elders have had to do double duty because of a lack of ministerial servants or qualified brothers.. * women outnumber men in the organization.. * there is supposedly a surprising change coming "down the pipe".. perhaps the only difference between male and female ministerial servants is that women will still not be allowed to teach..

jonahstourguide

@ dozy,

Hey the use of the word HELPER jumps outta da page at me.

Are't they using the term for speakers at conventions?

Like "governing body helper"

I'm now wondering...... co's wives? eldubs wives? special female bethelites?

Females from the translation dept?? Female pioneers??

As for me I'm all for it,,,,da gender bias unsettles my bowels and

overworks my anal orifice,,ha ha..

jtg

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TTATT in a Can... finally finished!!

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

ok so... how to condense all the flip-flops and doctrinal changes, and show graphically how the different doctrines changed, and when?.

ttatt in a can!!.

enjoy ;).

jonahstourguide

Mate, this is fantastic. Thanks for taking the time.

Going to come in REAL handy.

jtg

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Don't you hate it when they just comment from the paragraph?

by toto555 in

isn't that just annoying?

can people even comment in their own words anymore?

how bad is it where you're at?

jonahstourguide

If you do comment in your own words the wt conductor then says

"what does the paragraph say bruvvas?" and re asks the question !!!!

thats in my neck of the woods anyhow

jtg

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Vicars to be vetted ..New laws on working with children...

by smiddy in

this article appeared on friday may 9, 2014 in the herald sun newspaper in victoria australia.. matt johnston is a state politics reporter.. quote :" all religous ministers will need working with children checks and a new system will be created for organisations to report alleged child abuse,under a $ 10 million state government reform.".

premier denis napthine revealed the new measures,a further response to the state parliments`s child abuse inquiry report,betrayal of trust .. "many ordinary parish based ministers may not have required a wwc check.under this rule , every minister for religion who has any contact with children will require such a check ," he said.. opposition community services spokeswoman jenny mikakos called for the government to move quicker to "address the issues identified".

my concern is, will the watchtower org./jehovahs witnesses /jw.org.

jonahstourguide

THanks Listener, it was the 14 bucks for the passport pics,,, now i remember!

jtg

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Today's wt study re "selfishness"

by stuckinarut2 in

oh god!!

today's study is so full of classic manipulative comments..... i can't even begin to tear it apart.......... anyone want to start?.

jonahstourguide

Yep.

Where the hell does the bible say peter was thinking that james and john might get his spot????

Where the hell does the bible say that peter was the only one upset at the nepotistic scheme of james and john

to get the best seats in the temple by getting their mum (sooks) who happened to be jesus aunty to ask him?????

the bible says the 10 others got upset and so they should at the nepotistic little sooky bastards. Selfish????

They all got a dressing down after that not just peter. I like peter, he was cool, a dynamic apostle with a open and

honest personality.

just my two bobs worth

jtg

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Vicars to be vetted ..New laws on working with children...

by smiddy in

this article appeared on friday may 9, 2014 in the herald sun newspaper in victoria australia.. matt johnston is a state politics reporter.. quote :" all religous ministers will need working with children checks and a new system will be created for organisations to report alleged child abuse,under a $ 10 million state government reform.".

premier denis napthine revealed the new measures,a further response to the state parliments`s child abuse inquiry report,betrayal of trust .. "many ordinary parish based ministers may not have required a wwc check.under this rule , every minister for religion who has any contact with children will require such a check ," he said.. opposition community services spokeswoman jenny mikakos called for the government to move quicker to "address the issues identified".

my concern is, will the watchtower org./jehovahs witnesses /jw.org.

jonahstourguide

Hey smiddy,

I've read the actual recommendations on this that are in place. An elder stated to me that

only appointed men were to get the wwcc. However the statutes require that volunteers

of any nature require one if there is a possibility of coming into unsupervised contact with children.

i.e. at the door, bible studies with minors etc. The statutes clearly name religious volunteers among others.

The card looks similar to the drivers licence and if you get the card for volunteering it has a V noted on it.

From memory I believe the volunteer wwcc cost is minimal and on the back of the card it states -

"The person identified on this card has passed a working with children check".

Followed by- "This card cannot be used to engage in child related work for profit or gain"

If you undertake employment you need to contact the authority and advise them of your employers details

and I believe the higher fee of $80.00 applies. It's issued by the Department Of Justice, Victoria.

The jw's are sticking their head in the sand on this one mate. Bottom line,,,,if you're a member of

a religious org. and you bang on doors you need one.

Just like when the do not knock stickers appeared,,,, The law clearly states that if the sticker does not

specify salespeople then the house holder has withdrawn the implied licence for you to knock, ( so piss off!!!!)

Then the aus branch eventually issued the letter basically stating the above, something like "respect the hh wishes"

The important thing is that reporting is now mandatory, (I'll have to double check,) and otoole and van wik (wt lawyers)

both said to the commission that if reporting abuse was mandatory then jw ministers would report it to the authorities.

jtg

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Additional BOE Letter: Please Be Advised that Further Direction Will Soon be Sent to the Bodies of Elders...

by TTATTelder in

dear brothers:.

we are writing as a follow-up to the letters dated january 24, 2014, and march 29, 2014,. to all congregations regarding the adjustments now underway to accelerate construction of king-.

dom halls and assembly halls.. .

jonahstourguide

@ jimbojones, the cong in my neck of the woods has done just that.

They circulated forms with instructions on how to make one off or regular direct debit

contributions to the local cong, even providing the BSB details on the slip.

It also outlined the process of writing a letter to the cong sec outlining

were the funds were to be allocated i.e. local cong or worldwide work.

No allocation and the direct debit will be forwarded to the worldwide work.

I seem to recall something like that being read from the platform over the last

coupla years. the slip we got didn't have any letter head but named the

bank account as *********** congregation of jw's

followed by BSB details.

IT'S HAPPENING.....

jtg

p.s. So if the org takes over bank accounts " VOILA "