Posts by talesin

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WT should admit that 1914

by bobld in

jw
friends

was a man made date when jesus came and that a generation is not 102 plus years.. why not say something like this.when the disciples asked jesus for a sign and the end of the age.jesus gave them a composite sign and said all these things will take place.when-before the people now living(at the end of the age which no one knows)have all died..

talesin

That would be admitting to one mistake, it's true.

Would that make everything okay? What about blood transfusion martyrs? And the 2-witness rule? For example.

In addition, if they admit to being wrong, what does that say about being directed by g-d's holy spirit? Is he toying with them (us), or are they false prophets? Why do g-d's spokespeople keep getting these end-of-days dates wrong?

Those could be thought-provoking questions, if I were still a JW. Questions that could give the GB and their overlords pause. Admit to one flaw, and the downfall of the Tower could be imminent.

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Prince's recent passport pik!

by fulltimestudent in

well, that's the claim.

is this sexy, or isn't it?

are male witnesses now allowed to wear eye liner?.

talesin

neat blue dog

I'm good at finding articles and researching. Blogs? No thank you. Discussion Boards and Forums? Nope. There appears to *be* no confirmation. I have searched before, last year when I heard the rumour, and at first, thought this thread was News. I checked again this evening. But there's nothing to be found.

I have lots of time on my hands, so decided to do that. You're welcome.

google is your friend.

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When Did Higher Education Become Taboo?

by Wild_Thing in

jw
friends

i have been reading about the early history of russelites/jws and in the beginning, it seems the organization was formed and headed by quite a few educated people.

lawyers, doctors, businessman.

you could buy voting rights within the organization for $1000, which by today's standard would be somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000, something most of us do not have on hand, unless you are highly educated and/or wealthy.

talesin

My grandparents wanted my father to go to medical school (1940s). My grandfather had a degree, which was unusual back then (as Kaik said, few people obtained post-secondary education; high school was not the standard until post-WWII). My grandmother's family were IBS, then JWS, and had money. So, not converts, nor blue collar. I guess that was the exception. (dad rebelled because he wanted to be a truck driver OI!)

The 1960s, as I see it, was a time of 'cracking down'. Changes in world politics, the Cold War, higher education becoming the norm, the Woodstock generation, were all factors (and many more, I'm sure) that played into the WTBTS needing to tighten its death-grip on the R&F. They ramped up the fear with the 1975 prediction, and trotted out the rule book.

If I recall correctly, that's when they got really strict about smoking. And shunning.

Edit: was just thinking of that generation, the 'brothers' I knew. Most of the elders owned their own businesses. One was an architect. Publishers were white or blue collar, some really poor, but lots were middle class. It was the Baby Boomers (my generation) that really got screwed. The 1975 generation. grrrr.

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Travel recommendations?

by stephanie61092 in

hey guys.

i've decided that during this time of being dfed, maybe trying to get reinstated, i'm going to enjoy my time with myself.

that being said, i would like to do some traveling when the weather warms up across the us.

talesin

Mad Irishman, Mount Desert and Bar Harbour was my suggestion, too. It's beautiful, and I would feel okay travelling there alone.

If you are driving, those states, Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire are small, and you could plan a great trip if you drive.

NYC is awesome, but expensive. I am sure people here, would be most helpful in advice - ie, safe means of transport (cab, subway or bus?), where to stay, etc. There are things in NYC, that make it a 'must-see'.

Loving the Carolinas, too, and W. Virginia - just stay at a Best Western or better, and talk to the locals. People are so friendly.

Las Vegas - just don't get drunk, and you will be fine. Accommodations and cheap food, great shows, and the casinos are amazing to see for the first time. It's true - there are NO clocks in casinos. People forget the time when they are gambling.

LA - Manhattan Beach, home of many surfers, and another great city. You need to drive if visiting CA.

PS. Been to all those places, I want to go to TEXAS. Lots of apostates there, and it's an incredible place, or so I've heard. xx

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Was Adam "born" Circumsized ?

by RubaDub in

i guess we have to assume that jesus was circumcised on the 8th day but what about adam?

he was "perfect", so did he have the weenie cut or not?.

i would like to bring this question up at a "get-together".. rub a dub .

talesin

Just for fun, I researched the 8th day myth, and could find no medical recognition of that little 'factoid' we JWS were brought up with.

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I think Adam may have been created whole, but circumcised as punishment for following that brazen woman, Eve. It's all her fault. She was probably a - horror of horrors! - feminist. For that one mistake, the poor sot received the worst punishment g-d could think of - loss of sensitivity. Eve was, like all women, a temptress, and essentially, flawed.

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Prince's recent passport pik!

by fulltimestudent in

well, that's the claim.

is this sexy, or isn't it?

are male witnesses now allowed to wear eye liner?.

talesin

Paul, Jehovah will take care of it, in due time. Perhaps Prince is in the Truth to open the eyes of people who worship him instead of Jehovah.
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JUST KIDDING

I kinda gagged as I typed that. : P

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Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

by Lee Elder in

this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

talesin

Me, too. It's a breaking story, so may be on AP or Reuters soon.

Cut-and-paste would be great, if possible.

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Prince's recent passport pik!

by fulltimestudent in

well, that's the claim.

is this sexy, or isn't it?

are male witnesses now allowed to wear eye liner?.

talesin

sigh, wrong .......

http://religiomag.com/prince-balancing-faith-and-stardom/

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Reply to Bugbear: Why I believe in the Bible

by Saved_JW in

[some words i corrected for spelling & grammer] .

"i have been studying the bible for almost 20 years....after graduating in history and science comparing to the the bible, i have have come to to the conclusion that the bible cannot give you any reason to believe in it at all.

so i wonder, why do you use the bible as facit to your believes?

talesin

To the OP, you were absolutely correct about my confirmation bias (I am a non believer in g-ds), so I read the OP, looking for something that would give me a reason to question my non-belief system. IOW, with an open mind.

It seems that you believe in g-d, 'just because'. In your own words: its a heart issue.

It's an emotional decision. Arguments based on another person's understanding cannot change your mind. I get it, which is why I do not argue about 'belief'.

In the end, your confirmation bias (which is based on a highly-charged, emotional life-choice) will always override 'facts' and scientific evidence. You can't prove g-d exists, and I can't prove a negative (there are no g-ds).

This discussion/debate/argument (depending on the players) invariably ends in a stalemate. Believers often appear to feel abused and victimized, and atheists sound frustrated and angry. Everyone loses.

Thanks for sharing. It was interesting to read, and a good insight into one believer's mindset. xx

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2016-2-17-Destroy Previous S-77 Forms!

by Atlantis in

these numbers and letters:--gbr659967--are the only identifying markson this boe..the "informant" who sent it said:.

"this letter came through the congregation inbox and so hasn't got theusual identifying information.

the name of the file is probably thebest way to identify it.

talesin

Please find attached S-77 forms that replace the corresponding S-77
forms you have in your congregation file, which are now obsolete.

Was this letter not a paper file? The link Atlantis! posted was to a photo, not an electronic file.

And is the 'congregation file' an electronic or paper file?