Posts by EverApostate

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Without god what is the basis of morality?

by OneEyedJoe in

i'm sure most here who've questioned or left behind their belief in god have encountered this question - without god, what basis can there be for morality?

my exwife, when i admitted that i was an atheist, once asked me "if you don't believe in god, what's to stop you from going out and raping and murdering?

" previously, whenever i got this objection, i would tend to turn it around on the other person with a response along the lines of "if fear of god is the only thing that stops you from murdering, that makes me rather nervous to be around you.

EverApostate

If any Christian comes and preaches me about Gods Morality I would ask him /her about the morality of these events

God Subjecting Adam and eve and all their generations to undue sufferings, all because eve disobeyed and ate a fruit.

It’s ok to own slaves and beat them

A man stoned to death because he picked up sticks on the Sabbath

Uzziah killed instantly because with all good intent he prevented the ark from falling

God killing the First Born of Egypt because Pharaoh disobeyed him

Lot and His Daughters incestuous Story, yet Lot is called a Righteous person

Jah kills 70K People because David took a census

Daughter In law seduces her Father in law.

The murder Pillage by Joshua and Moses, ordered by the Morale god.

God Kills Job’s children and servants because of a bet with the Devil.

Jah is satisfied with the torture and Killing of his own son.

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A Gem From The May Study WT "Know Your Enemy"

by JW_Rogue in

in fact, only three books of the hebrew scriptures, 1 chronicles, job, and zechariah, mention satan, which means “resister.” why was little said about our enemy prior to the arrival of the messiah?.

3 apparently, jehovah did not want to give satan undue prominence by devoting large portions of the hebrew scriptures to discussing him and his activity.

jehovah’s primary purpose for inspiring that section of the scriptures was to identify the messiah and lead god’s people to him.. .

EverApostate

Apparently, Jehovah did not want to give Satan undue prominence

But is still allowing Satan to be an Immensley powerful and invisible force that can influence and harm mankind and who can bring untold miseries and so on...

Ok, I understand God's grand divine plan now.

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Have you ever considered how bizarre the idea of "War in Heaven" really is?

by TerryWalstrom in

when you grow up and look back on childhood belief you have to laugh at how.

easter bunnies and santa were all too plausible for children because trusted adults who were otherwise unimpeachable sources of truth and reality assured and reassured kids.

why wouldn't they accept it?jehovah's witness kids didn't have santa, we had armageddon.only this morning i suddenly asked myself why i ever accepted the idea of a war in heaven as even remotely sane.

EverApostate

Satan and his demons were cast out of heaven into earth. What a loving Arrangement.

AS if the earth has less of Problems. THis is just like a loving dad sending serial killers to his childrens home.

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Anybody here still believe in the bible?

by Mel Morris in

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i'm a current bible student of jw's looking to chat with someone about biblical doctrine.

i'm not interested in talking with an apostate or a fader, i'm just a person looking for answers and wondered if there are any neutral voices in this forum who have good insights into the bible.

i currently talk with a couple of jw's on a personal level from my congregation and they are knowledgeable to a certain extent, but i dare not ask them certain questions because, as you know, the congregation has a culture of fear that impacts trust and openness, especially concerning biblical doctrine or the societies teachings.

EverApostate

AS you had requested, this site has a lot of good insights into the bible.

http://www.evilbible.com/

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Have you ever considered how bizarre the idea of "War in Heaven" really is?

by TerryWalstrom in

when you grow up and look back on childhood belief you have to laugh at how.

easter bunnies and santa were all too plausible for children because trusted adults who were otherwise unimpeachable sources of truth and reality assured and reassured kids.

why wouldn't they accept it?jehovah's witness kids didn't have santa, we had armageddon.only this morning i suddenly asked myself why i ever accepted the idea of a war in heaven as even remotely sane.

EverApostate

@venus

You have good points

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Have you ever considered how bizarre the idea of "War in Heaven" really is?

by TerryWalstrom in

when you grow up and look back on childhood belief you have to laugh at how.

easter bunnies and santa were all too plausible for children because trusted adults who were otherwise unimpeachable sources of truth and reality assured and reassured kids.

why wouldn't they accept it?jehovah's witness kids didn't have santa, we had armageddon.only this morning i suddenly asked myself why i ever accepted the idea of a war in heaven as even remotely sane.

EverApostate

After all, humans can make an evil person powerless in a matter minutes, hours or days.

The almighty that created the mighty galaxies, star clusters and stuff, cant make Satan powerless in an instant ?

How childish to believe in this “War in heaven” story ? Written for idiots to believe, by a Psycho.

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Are YOU Shunned By JW Family or Friends?

by minimus in

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some who are not disfellowshipped are still shunned i also know there’ are disfellowshipped ones that family still associate with..

EverApostate

When I started to show signs of Apostasy(, after having known TTATT), a group of my so called JW associates (All Indians and belong to my state –Tamilnadu), invited me and my wife for dinner. Two of the elders took me to their basement and made me to confess that whether I would like to continue as a faithful JW or not. I said I no longer can be a JW but still would like to continue my friendship with them

They immediately said that they would no longer associate with me and told me to leave. My wife and I left heart broken.

A year later, I wrote my disassociation letter.

Happily my JW wife and mom treat me as usual. That’s a lucky thing for me until now

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Bible comes alive if we look for meaning behind the symbols it uses

by Ireneus in

bible contains too much human thinking presented as though from god, thus much of its information brings dishonor to god.. yet it contains great beneficial truths behind the symbols it uses.

let us take the only two cases of miracles jesus performed without any request from anybody which would show the very purpose of his ministry:.

1) jesus healed a woman who “was bent over and could not straighten up at all.” (luke 13:11-13).

EverApostate

Ireneus,

Do you belong to the Art of living Ravi Shankar religion ?

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Is There Life After Death

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i think this is a well developed discussion, of ian stevenson's work in investigating people's past lives claims.

it's a little long.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0attm9hgcdw.

EverApostate

Why humans believe that they are superior to other species, in the aspect of living forever ?

It’s the fear of death and nothingness after it, which makes them believe in an afterlife. IMO.

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Why the term "waking up?"

by Sour Grapes in

is the term "waking up" the best way to describe when a jdub starts to have doubts?

to me, it is rather that a jdub realizes that what they have believed for years was a pack of lies and then they have to make a conscious decision if they want to continue to believe in lies or stop being a jdub or just go along for the ride.. it just amazes me how many die-hard jdubs there are despite every failed prophecy about the end coming, the borg being a part of the dreaded wild best united nations, the put down of women in the borg, the massive cover-up of the child abuse in the borg, the willingness to let a child die because they need blood, and the eagerness to shun a child who at the age of 10 got dunked to make mommy and daddy happy only to not want to be a jdub later and have the parents treat them like they are dead because 8 overweight, balding, goofy looking, incoherent men in upper state new york say that are the rules for being a christain.. jehovah's witnesses are a very sad cult that attracts people with emotional, psychological, or medical issues, have very large egos, can't make simple decisions, and believe in the tooth fairy..

EverApostate

Waking up involves sleep. Sleep is a good thing. Sleep refreshes and rejuvenates, occassionaly with some bad dreams. But sleep is essential for every living thing(AS I know of)

Sober is a term I like better. Cult is a place where you get drugged , intoxicated, dull minded, hallucinated or cannot think properly. Once Sober you start to think in reality and in clear terms.